Yes, you are right. "only 140k" is a rather insensitive way to put it... my
apologies.  Any loss of life is significant.  Without belittling these
horrific events further, all I was trying to point out is the A-bombs get
far more credit in history than they should.  Statistically, the human loss
only accounted for around 7% of the total war losses estimated for Japan.  I
am unable to find it (now that I am looking for it) but I wrote a hard copy
military strategy paper on it back in the mid-80s that has actual numbers
and references (I apologize that I am working mostly from memory at the
moment).  The analysis was regarding the effectiveness of attacks of varying
sophistication and technology in WW2 (Japan was just one the theaters
reviewed).  One thing that investigation did show was how much greater
impact the fire bomb attacks had on the military industrial complex... not
just the collateral aspects, but the critical workforce aspects needed to
make it functional.  Losses were much greater... 3-500k. 

Essentially this is the backbone of terrorist strategy today around the
world (not my paper, but similar analysis by others with a more diabolical
intent).  Net loss is not the plan, high visibility and high psychological
impact opportunities are... iconic assaults that make compelling pictures
for the evening news to stampede the herd.  The A-bomb attacks of WW2 fit in
that category.

Yes, it is very easy to sit here and type such things in a very cold,
dispassionate, and unconnected way.  Again, my apologies if I offend anyone.
There is no compassion in statistics or strategy.

-john
  

-----Original Message-----
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [OT] The myths of Hiroshima


John Steck wrote:

>In proper context, the atomic bombs were minor blows to the Japanese.  
>It was more a psychological attack.  Only 140K are linked to the bombs 
>directly (from the event) and indirectly (from radiation poisoning).

*ONLY* 140,000 people?!? Only? That's an outrageous choice of words. 
Furthermore, it is wrong. The damage was crippling. Two major cities were 
wiped out, including some of the largest factories and military bases. And 
the U.S. announced it would continue dropping bombs. That was no idle 
threat. Contrary to some of the history books from the 1960s and 70s, many 
more bombs were in the pipeline. The next bomb was ready in about two 
weeks, and a dozen more were scheduled to be "deployed" (dropped) by the 
end of the year. As soon as MacArthur's people found out the bomb existed, 
a few hours after Hiroshima, they began revising their invasion plans. They 
decided to drop three or four on the beaches of Shikoku just prior to the 
invasion.

Some of the early firebomb attacks on Tokyo killed about as many people as 
the atomic bombs, but that was because the civilians did not know how to 
respond, and the government tried to keep them from fleeing. After two or 
three raids the fatality rate dropped from ~100,000 per attack to a few 
thousand. People quickly learned to get out of the way when the air raid 
sirens went off, an hour before the attack. Most Japanese cities were 
small, and an able-bodied person could flee to the surrounding mountains 
and rivers on foot within an hour. You cannot get out of the way of a 
nuclear bomb, and there could be no advanced air raid warnings. They could 
warn people when thousands of airplanes were approaching, but nuclear bombs 
were dropped by groups of three airplanes, and such small groups were 
coming over Japan in many places every day for one purpose or another 
(mainly surveillance and mapping).

When the bombing began millions of people defied government orders and fled 
to the countryside, abandoning their houses, possessions, and jobs. This 
brought production to a halt, which was the whole idea of the bombing. The 
U.S. encouraged this by dropping leaflets warning people to leave. The 
Japanese government discouraged it by cutting off people's rations when 
they left their assigned jobs, and by torturing and beating people to 
death. Much of the population of Hiroshima had evacuated, fortunately.

In my opinion, the conventional and nuclear bombs, and the property damage 
they wrought, was entirely the moral responsibility of the United States. I 
do not see how anyone can argue with that. It was possible to carry out war 
without direct attacks on civilians, by confining attacks to military 
targets and by blockading. When the conventional bombing attacks began, 
many prominent Americans, including some prominent military leaders, 
decried them as morally wrong and ineffective. It is difficult to judge 
whether they were necessary and effective. While I have no doubt the U.S. 
was morally responsible for the damage, the fact that these attacks killed 
civilians was entirely the fault of the Japanese government. Since the 
Japanese government could do nothing to prevent the attacks, it should have 
made every effort to evacuate the people. In England and Germany the 
governments organized evacuations and the casualty rate was lower.


Full Disclosure: Some of my future relatives and in-laws were killed or 
wounded in Hiroshima, including one who was a soldier in the Hiroshima army 
base. (Contrary to some antiwar revisionist history, this military base was 
huge, and it was smack in the middle of the city.) Other relatives were on 
the American side and probably would have been killed in the invasion.

- Jed



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