I think Mr. Rothwell should do his own fact checking.

In short, 

All electric vehicles will not reduce pollution, just shift it out of urban
areas to more harmful types.  Not sure why everyone thinks that is better.
The additional electric demand burden of replacing 20% of passenger vehicles
would put a substantial demand on current electric generation plants.
Alternatives, renewables, and atomics will not fill the gap in time (if
ever), leaving our friend Mr. Coal to pick up the slack by processing an
estimated 38 million extra tons per year.

http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/DOE/DOE_reports/pb83/pb83_126094/pb83_126094_
sec07.pdf

EV cars are not less expensive to buy or operate.  The cars cost more up
front, the parts cost more when they break or when in accidents, insurance
cost more, and complex electromechanical systems require specialized
technicians who cost more per hour.  As a car class, their resale value is
yet to be benchmarked, their true service life unknown.  MPG savings will
not offset cost of ownership.  EV's are a green choice, not a financial one.

 
http://www.edmunds.com/advice/specialreports/articles/103708/article.html

BTW, since Yucca Mountain doesn't look like it's going to be done for a
while and you seem to have a preference to live next door to a uranium
plant, mind if we store a few thousand harmless spent rods in your back
yard?  We only have over 54,000 metric tones of it now in the US.... Nah,
didn't think so. 

http://www.ncseonline.org/nle/crsreports/04dec/RS22001.pdf



-john






-----Original Message-----
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Another Plug-In Article


John Steck wrote:

>Ok, am I the only one that sees this?
>
>Plug-in only shifts us to more pollution and hazardous by-product 
>creating power generation... specifically coal and atomic.

That is incorrect for several reasons, mainly:

1. About a third of our electric power comes from clean sources such as 
hydroelectricity, wind power and renewable biofuel. (I have often ranted 
about how bad ethanol is. It should be noted that the direct use of biofuel 
to generate electricity is far more efficient, and it often reduces
pollution.)

2. Electric cars are two or three times more efficient than gasoline 
ICE-only, and with a modern electric power generator they are more 
efficient than hybrid cars.

3. Power plant pollution is easier to control because power plants produce 
"point source" pollution, and they are the responsibility of one 
corporation with one phone number. Automobiles which are spread out all of 
the map and owned by millions of individuals.

Also it should be noted that despite the problems with uranium, many people 
including me would much prefer to live next to uranium plant than a coal 
burning plant. There is no question that the widespread use of uranium 
fission would reduce the threat of global warming. Coal burning plants kill 
at least 20,000 people in the US alone, whereas during the last 60 years 
U.S. civilian fission plants have killed only a few thousand people, if you 
count people killed by pollution from uranium mining. This pollution has 
been greatly reduced.


>Cleaner at the duplex outlet end but much much dirtier at the source.

Much cleaner at the source.


>Hybrids are just baby steps into the future
>(until the US consumer starts realizing the maintenance & repair costs 
>to keep those complex systems running outweigh the fuel savings).

The maintenance and repair costs for production line hybrid cars is not 
significantly higher than for regular cars. I know this for a fact, because 
as it happens, at Ed Storm's recommendation I recently purchased a Prius 
hybrid. Before I did that, I asked both the dealer and my car insurance 
agent about maintenance and repair costs. Toyota offers the same warranty 
coverage for the Prius as for their other cars. For $2,000 they offer an 
extended maintenance contract that covers virtually everything for 10 years 
or 100,000 miles. Insurance companies charge only a little more for 
accident coverage. If these cars cost far more to maintain and repair, 
Toyota and Allstate would already be losing their shirts, since there are 
hundreds of thousands of these cars in use worldwide.

I think Mr. Steck should fact check his statement little more carefully.

- Jed



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