Dr Storms,
Well put, measured and pragmatic. Nobody knows the answers but the answer
can't have a large state interference policy, forcible confiscation of
wealth and a political elite.

I guess we are all right of centre these days from the Reagan/Thatcher era
and still learning. The forces of dark are on the rise again and I see in
Brighton that the Trades Union Congress wants to bring back secondary
picketing... 

The mantra was in my father's day "they're over here nicking our jobs and
our women".
Remi.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Edmund Storms
Sent: 10 September 2005 18:30
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Find-a-cause, middle class guilt and angst

Not everyone who wants to help his fellow man is "liberal" nor is 
everyone "conservative" who wants people to take care of themselves.  A 
larger number are simply practical.  We acknowledge that a fraction of 
the population does not have the talents and intelligence to become 
completely self sufficient.  Also, a fraction of the population has no 
interest in their fellow man, are completely self-centered, and 
frequently turn to crime.  This is the human condition.  The question 
is, what can be done to make a society stable and productive while such 
people are a normal part of society. Obviously, simply telling the 
simple-minded to shape up and learn a useful skill is not enough. Simply 
letting the intelligent and self-centered people take over the power 
structure does not work either. The problem in the US these days is that 
people look at the problem and suggest arbitrary solutions based on some 
ideal idea. People are not looking to see what works and then reward 
such efforts. The concept of competence has been lost. Unskilled leaders 
are excused for extreme incompetence and dishonesty because they are 
Republican or Democrat, or more to the point these days, because they 
are "conservative Christians". A society can not survive using this 
approach, as we are on the way to finding out.

Regards,
Ed

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> They're at it again:
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4228940.stm
> 
> Who wants to be anybody's **"pet"** project? You want a pet - get a dog.
> It'll follow you lovingly anywhere you want. Ah, but that's what you want
> !?!
> 
> Those on the left should realise that people find their own dignity and
> don't need it handed out to them. Bush gave 7 billion for flood defences
and
> obviously local government didn't use it properly.
> 
> Stop making excuses for ethnic minority behaviour. Call the N.O. violence
> uncivilised, animalistic. Similarly stop coming up with aid and drives for
> the 3rd World and tell it to them straight - re-organise, civilise, then
> we'll invest as equals.
> R.
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