Hi Jeff,
John Schnurer would have agreed with you. And if he's reading this I am sure
he does agree. Although he could be pesky at times with cryptic comments, I
understood exactly why it used to drive him so crazy that almost *all*
Lifter experimenters would theorize that there was [probably] a
gravitational interaction and yet they would not go that extra step to
reduce the coulomb and/or ion artefacts. What Schnurer suggested was that
the whole lifter assembly be enclosed inside a Faraday cage.
By "whole assembly" he refers to the batteries that power the [also]
enclosed high voltage power supply plus the Lifter itself.
By "Faraday cage" he meant a light weight metalized Mylar cage or sphere
that totally encloses the above assembly to prevent any ions escaping, and
to prevent any electric fields "extending" outside it's walls.
John never argued that there was no gravitational interaction. His argument
was only this; that if there was any gravitational effect, then unless the
above procedure was implemented, no balance scale on earth could discern it-
from the overwhelming ion and coulomb artefacts.
We humans do have an amazing ability to fool ourselves when we "want to
believe", (and I include myself :)
Colin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff and Dorothy Kooistra" <>
To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: More test of Lifters
I asked:
What is unconventional about the two "plate" components of a charged
capacitor
being attracted to each other?
Harry Reeder replied:
The force of attraction is apparently not equal and opposite.
If the force were equal and opposite it would not lift off the ground.
Naudin is very good at replicating an effect--but he isn't good at, or
neglects to bother to do, rigorously contolling his experiments. That is,
he shows lift, but the two charged plates are not just interacting with
each other--they are interacting with everything else around them, too,
including the wires supplying the potential to the two plates. When
you're at high voltages, you cannot neglect the exterior circuit, nor the
air, nor the walls of the container, etc. etc.
It doesn't matter if the air around it does or does not ionize. If I rub
a balloon on my head and put it close enough to the ceiling, it will rise
and stick there. It doesn't need to ionize air to do that. Polarization
matters.
Let me be clear--though I am confident that the Lifters do nothing at all
beyond ordinary physics, I can't be absolutely certain of that. What I am
certain of is that I have yet to see an experiment that adequately takes
into account ALL of the relevant characteristics of the "lifter system",
and the entire system is a very complicated thing.
That having been said, Lifters are pretty cool regardless of how they
work.
Jeffery D. Kooistra
