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From: "Standing Bear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: The Grip of Gas


> On Tuesday 27 September 2005 17:47, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> > Michael Foster wrote:
> > >I have  a number of personal observations that seem to illuminate what
you
> > >are talking about.  I noticed that the general level of traffic in the
Los
> > >Angeles
> > >area dropped off rather dramatically when the price of gasoline
exceeded
> > >about $2.50/gal. . . .
> >
> > Yes, there is anecdotal evidence like that coming in from all over. And
it
> > is not merely an impression. Actual consumption dropped from 9.4 million
> > gallons to 8.8 million gallons. (See the N. Y. Times article I
referenced.)
> >
> > Some other straws in the wind: An Atlanta GM car dealership recently had
> > the compact cars moved out in front of the lot with large, handmade
signs
> > saying "30 MPG!" Toyota is bombarding cable channels with advertisements
> > featuring their high MPG models, including the Prius, again with big
> > letters announcing "35 MPG" and "60 MPG" (way ahead of GM). These are
> > cheesy advertisements that look like they were ginned up in a hurry,
with a
> > soundtrack of children cheering in the background.
> >
> > >The traffic level seemed to recover  about two weeks after that.
> >
> > Unfortunately, consumers may get used to these prices and go back to
their
> > old habits. This will do nothing to solve the problem, and it will suck
a
> > great discretionary income out of the economy. It works like the parable
of
> > the frog in hot water (water that is gradually heated). PLEASE NOTE that
is
> > merely a parable, no more true than Aesop's fables about talking foxes.
A
> > real frog will jump out of the pot as soon as the water becomes
> > uncomfortably warm. People, on the other hand . . .
> >
> > I hate to see the public suffer, especially poor people who have to
commute
> > to work in old gas guzzlers, but for the good of the country and the
> > environment I wish the government would impose a tax to raise the price
to
> > $4 per gallon permanently. The tax would increase to $1.50 if the base
> > price falls to $2.50. I wish the leaders would tell the citizens that
oil
> > is running out, and it is time to make sacrifices and make changes. Plus
it
> > should say we can solve this problem with new technology such as plug-in
> > hybrids, we do not have to wait 40 years for hydrogen cars.
> >
> > Even the oil company advertisements now say that we are extracting oil
> > twice as fast as we are finding new reserves, and I think they are
lying.
> > As others have pointed out here, OPEC members and major oil companies
are
> > probably exaggerating reserves by a large margin. OPEC members do this
so
> > that OPEC will give them a larger market allocation, and oil companies
do
> > it to prop up their stock prices. There have been no substantial
> > discoveries of oil in the lower 48 states since the 1930s, and there
never
> > will be. There is no more oil waiting to be found anywhere on earth. Of
> > course improved extraction techniques will stretch out supplies.
> >
> > - Jed
>
> All that four dollar gas price is going to do is guarantee a depression
and
> radicalization of our politics as the poor finally are driven to find
their
> voice.  The better solution and a better one for political stability is to
> impose rationing.  Another solution would be to follow the Mexican
> example and nationalize the resource and its distribution networks, as
>  the industry has shown itself rapaciousely avaricious on too many
> occasions.  Once nationalized, the problem of fair distribution can be
> solved by rationing. We could encourage the sidelining of gas guzzlers
> by taxing new large vehicles like SUVs.  The old ones will wear out in
> time and sideline themselves.
>
> Standing Bear
>
>
>


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