Michael Foster wrote:

Actually, I'd say don't buy the hype, but buy the car anyway. It's true that if many of the features incorporated into the Prius were incorporated into a non-hybrid you could have a car that got within shaving distance of the same mileage for $3000 less.

Yes, you could *barely* achieve the same performance. You would end up with a small, stripped-down, noisy, dangerous and underpowered conventional car, whereas the Prius is a midsize luxury car, very safe and quiet. The reason you can still achieve this kind of performance is what might be called the "last stage flowering" effect. Obsolescent technology borrows from the next generation and leaps ahead in the last stages of its development, just before it vanishes. The first generation of practical oceangoing steamships were only little faster than the fastest clipper sailing ships, but 20 years later they were *far* faster, bigger and safer. The clipper ships were fast because they borrowed some steam technology (steam tugboats) and because they tapped into the burgeoning advances in the science of shipbuilding.

Hybrids have just began, whereas conventional cars have been under development for 120 years. When hybrids hit their stride they will leave conventional designs in the dust.

Hybrids are derived from conventional cars, just as steamships were derived from sailing ships. Steamships rapidly assumed new shapes, and incorporated advances and capabilities that could never have been installed into sailing ships, such as steam winches, and far larger hulls and capacity. The same will happen with hybrids. They will diverge, and advance. Obviously, the most important advance will be the plug-in hybrid.

I find it fascinating that the European auto manufacturers have the same attitude as Michael Foster. They are saying: "What is so great about hybrids? Our diesel cars get even better mpg performance." They are smart cookies (and so is Mike) but they are missing the point.


By buying a hybrid, you help advance the technology to the
point where it will really make a difference.

I think it really makes a difference now. The Prius already gives you 10 miles per gallon more than the best small car on the road, and it carries a lot more stuff, in comfort and safety.


For example, when the regenerative braking is able to recover a much higher portion of the lost energy it will all have been worth it, no?

This could be accomplished by such means as a supercapacitor to serve as intermediate storage for the battery, a flywheel for the same purpose . . .

That would be a kludge, I think. Both would have large disadvantages compared to batteries. As I said, the Prius is an engineering masterpiece, with the systems superbly integrated together.


. . .  or a more advanced battery.

That would make it a hybrid, wouldn't it?


These things might even be available as retrofits.

Retrofits are fine for geeks and early adopters, but they will never sell to the broader public.

- Jed


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