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A Black Hole Mystery Wrapped in a Firewall Paradox On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:11 AM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: > > John, > > You make a good point that the guy approaching the black hole would see > everything located outside of its gravitational influence as being sped up > immensely. Also, it makes sense that he would be fried by the incoming > radiation from the orbiting sun if he is moving at a moderate velocity > compared to the speed of light. > > It is not quite as clear about what will occur if the guy takes a path > directly toward the black hole in his ship since it would accelerate very > rapidly as it gains energy from the field. A form of race condition might > exist as he speeds up along with the incoming light chasing him. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Berry <[email protected]> > To: vortex-l <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Dec 18, 2014 7:12 pm > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market > > Some of that went over my head, at least with a single reading. > > But the Pound-Rebka experiment shows that such red and blue shifting > from light entering and leaving a gravitationally time dilated area does > occur, this means that any object that began to fall into a black hole > would not only see the outside universe speed up, but it would see the > frequencies and energies increase also. > And the same would by default occur if the time accelerating field acted > on everything in the area (which I think you are suggesting isn't the case). > > If you fell into a black hole that was orbiting a sun, you would see the > light output of the sun grow and grow as the frequency spectrum of the > light would also be shifted, you would encounter for instance 10,000 years > of light in 1 hour and frequencies would be stepped up by the same amount, > which is to say frequencies would have a multiplier of 86,400,000 > (10,000*365*24)! > > An object falling into an intense gravity field such as a black hole > would surely explode and become radioactive under such insanely intense > bombardment. > > Indeed this would possibly lead to the creation of all sorts of exotic > particles as collisions would involve so much energy as to be out of this > world. > > If you are proposing a form of time dilation that only effects the gas, > then we must still consider the radioactive decay the gas undergoes, it > must be effected also just as the atom that released it was. > > John > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Roarty, Francis X < > [email protected]> wrote: >> >> John, most of the “time” dilation would be accompanied by Lorentzian >> dilation of equally large magnitude [contraction is indicative of spatial >> displacement on what remains the “time” axis from our perspective]– just as >> a “deep enough gravity well” can create relativistic effects for objects at >> the bottom, I am saying a time dilation reactor would create a “tall enough >> gravity hill” to generate time dilations in the opposite direction wrt a >> black hole but both are based on equivalent acceleration [positive vs >> negative]. IMHO the spectrum shifted black light that Mills named his >> company after is somehow related to time dilation of plasma inside the >> skeletal catalyst Rayney nickel. So far time dilation has only been noticed >> occasionally wrt radioactive gas but IMHO all the hydrogen being >> fractionalized by the powder is actually being aged rapidly and it is the >> difference in these aging profiles that we call dynamic Casimir effect >> [DCE]. it simply awaits for these “passive” effects to become more robust >> [Shawyer’s device?] for the relativistic effects to jump out at us. >> >> I also have a suspicion that nature has a built in shield with respect to >> light and dilation – the fact that measured dilation of a laser between >> Casimir plates has always been at trivial levels while measureable levels >> of dilation occur to radioactive gases makes me think the random motion of >> gas is needed to “make the turn” made available by Casimir effect such that >> gas can “turn” further and further onto a temporal become spatial vector >> which allows Casimir effect to compound while the laser beam is locked into >> a trajectory straight across the mouth never able to dive down into the bay. >> Fran >> >> *From:* John Berry [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:29 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market >> >> You are going to also need some amazing shields to deal with 10,000 >> years of radioactive decay in just an hour. >> >> Actually many problems exist if we assume an accelerated passage of >> time were possible, as the frequency of all radiation would be upshifted in >> frequency by the same amount! >> >> So you might just destroy the planet if you create 10,000 years worth >> of gamma radiation that now has an extremely upshifted frequency and energy >> And what about the particle decay which is now moving with such an energy? >> >> That's a bit problematical. >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Roarty, Francis X < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> Jed, >> I do have a more imaginative solution for radioactive >> waste, cycle it through a reactor that ages it 10,000 years relative to one >> hour outside the reactor.. I think this sort of time dilation is going to >> become a side effect of LENR that can be optimized. It occurs already >> according to claims of anomalous decay in radioactive gases but such claims >> are a passive effect of catalyst nano geometry, IMHO the claims by Shawyer >> are more interesting, if correct and optimized it represents an active >> system where we can combine microwave energy with macro scale geometry to >> dilate larger regions..I suspect this is why Shawyer is presenting his >> technology as being “relativistic” in nature. He is unbalancing the spatial >> and temporal phase inside his trapezoid with standing waves relative to >> outside his device such that any linked forces between these inertial >> frames can transpose time for space and unbalance the equal and opposite >> action – reactions. He is focused on thrust but at a root level he is >> pushing or pulling between two slightly different phases of space-time to >> create motion. This still all hangs precariously on the Naudts theory where >> hydrogen ATOMS loaded into a catalyst sitting on a lab bench can be >> considered relativistic – without near C spatial displacement – supposition >> being that the region the atom travels thru is warped/negative gravity >> well/depleted of virtual particle density just the opposite of the density >> approaching C or sitting at the bottom of a large gravity well like a black >> hole. >> Fran >> >> >> *From:* Jed Rothwell [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:40 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market >> >> Roarty, Francis X <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> $55 oil freaking out stock market, So is it really Saudi controlled to >> bankrupt shale investors or is there some possible relationship to LENR? >> >> >> I do not think that cold fusion has played any role in this. It is >> caused by fracking in the United States which has lowered the cost and >> increased supplies of both oil and natural gas. >> >> The moment it becomes generally known that cold fusion is real and that >> it is likely to be commercialized, the price of oil will fall to $10 a >> barrel. That is approximately what it costs in Saudi Arabia, I believe. It >> will never rise again. >> >> Eventually oil will fall to zero dollars per barrel, and then negative >> $10 per barrel, when it is synthesized from garbage. That is to say, people >> will pay you to take their garbage and others will pay you a little for the >> oil, which will still be needed for plastic feedstock, lubrication and a >> few other purposes. >> >> I hope that eventually people will synthesize teratons of oil from CO2, >> and pump it back underground, where it belongs. This will reduce the carbon >> concentration in the atmosphere and prevent global warming. We could pump >> it underground or ship it off-Earth via a space elevator. If people on Mars >> have no use for it we can dump it into the sun I suppose. That is what we >> should do with all of the fission rad-waste left from today's nuclear >> reactors. The notion that we have to bury that stuff underground here on >> earth and protect it for the next 10,000 years strikes me as unimaginative. >> It is silly. This is a problem we should leave to our great-grandchildren >> to fix. They will be able to do it more easily than we can. It will be a >> minor expense for them. Some problems are best left for posterity to fix. >> >> - Jed >> >> >
