Mark's thought also was the first idea that came into my head upon reading
Terry's comment.
I think they, Toyota, are onto LENR. Let's not forget they hired Pons and
Fleishman for research in Nice, France after they left the USA.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "MarkI-ZeroPoint" <zeropo...@charter.net>
To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:35 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Toyota puts fuel cell patents in the public domain
Misinformation? Toyota wants to make its competitors think it's going down
fuel-cell path when it is really developing LENR-based tech for powering its
future fleet...
-mark iverson
-----Original Message-----
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:12 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Toyota puts fuel cell patents in the public domain
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Blanton
Jed Rothwell wrote:
I think this is a dead-end technology. It cannot compete with plug-in
electric hybrid cars and pure electric vehicles.
"Toyota and Tesla are nearing the end of sales of the jointly developed RAV4
electric sport utility vehicle after delivering about 2,500 units over more
than two years. The two companies are now taking separate paths, with Tesla
working to bring the plug-in Model X crossover and a cheaper Model 3 sedan
to market. Toyota is preparing to sell its first fuel-cell vehicle, a
technology that Tesla’s billionaire co-founder Elon Musk has ridiculed."
Bizarre behavior on the part of Toyota unless they are suddenly cowed by
the possibility of losing large market share to Tesla.
Maybe not bizarre. Anyway, it's not wise to bet against Toyota. Tesla's
shares are down 55 points since October-and Toyota is up 10. Toyota may know
something that we, or even Elon-the-magnificent, do not yet appreciate -
such as a breakthrough in cheap H2. GM dissed Toyota’s Prius a few years
ago- as every "expert" in Detroit knew batteries were a dead-end technology.
That was a billion dollar mistake that helped bankrupt GM.
Things change with the small incremental advance, and Toyota is definitely a
player in LENR and with a hydrogen IP portfolio that is unreal. H2 may yet
be the low cost answer, and they know it. Even without them, however, we are
only a breakthrough away from cheap H2 from LENR - maybe from a
water-dog-bone <g>.
Think about thermal decomposition of water with a newly discovered catalyst,
probably in one of these 5300 patents, plus an improved dog-bone reactor at
1300C.
As of now, we know that water molecules split into hydrogen and oxygen at
2200 °C at a usable rate of about three percent (this is usable since waste
heat is recycled at high efficiency) but with a breakthrough catalyst and
low-cost heat, giving something like 2% conversion at 1300 °C, plus good
heat recovery, then hydrogen becomes cheaper than battery-based electricity
storage. The amount of lithium in a Tesla battery pack could possibly power
1,000,000 dogbones.
We could be closer than anyone imagines to the hydrogen economy ... anyone
other than Toyota.
