In addition to active and abandoned strip mines there a lots of played-out coal mines around that are near large amounts of rural home- agro biomass sources. For example many govt subsidized ($35.00/acre) set aside acreage farmlands have to be brush-hogged to collect the subsidy. Many rural homeowners do this out of pocket on their 2 to 60+ acre tracts. With or without cutting, this biomass oxidizes aerobically with the energy loss and CO2 release, as does normal "plowing" of croplands where the residual stubble and roots from harvested crops or volunteer weeds are all that's required for soil humus and erosion prevention.
The logistics for "waste harvest" and transport are simple and already in place. Unlike large, cost effective biomass conversion facilities which require a particular feedstock species, dirt-free and dry...like Mother Nature's repositories, a landfill repository can handle about anything. The greener, wetter, dirtier the better. Anaerobic Composting. Waste Management's $17.00 per month charge for my rural trash pickup probably comes out close to $75.00 per ton. OTOH farm crop waste from harvesting/collection to silo or grain elevator are about $15.00/ton more or less. Fred > [Original Message] > From: John Steck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 12/15/2005 8:06:34 AM > Subject: RE: DON'T PANIC! > > You have the right idea... But not much biomass around them, eh? To make > the logistics cost effective, proximity to population concentrations is > essential. > > -john > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frederick Sparber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: DON'T PANIC! > > > W#ould you settle for some old H bomb cavities blown underground in Nevada, > John? :-) > > Fred > > > > [Original Message] > > From: John Steck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Date: 12/14/2005 3:44:01 PM > > Subject: RE: DON'T PANIC! > > > > Good use of those abandoned properties... Plus land cost would be > > ideal. But I am not picturing a 'green' landfill. I am thinking more > > deep > missile > > silo type structures to idealize prime conditions and collection. > > Apply steam to accelerate the process? Pair it up with geothermal to > > avoid the energy cost? Worlds largest methanol still? > > > > Like it even more now. -john > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Frederick Sparber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:44 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: DON'T PANIC! > > > > > > TVA area and other strip-mine sites, John? > > The repositories could be engineered for plant nutrient > > recovery also. > > > > Fred > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: John Steck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Date: 12/14/2005 1:58:43 PM > > > Subject: RE: DON'T PANIC! > > > > > > With the price of natural gas not looking to go down any time soon, > > > might not be a bad business plan to start a company with. Land, > > > collection, and fermenting time would be your biggest expenses.... But > > > once you got past > > the > > > initial startup delay, keeping it producing would only be a > > > caretaker > > > activity. > > > > > > I like it. -john > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Frederick Sparber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:33 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: RE: DON'T PANIC! > > > > > > > > > A short term effort that I practice, John, is to throw every bit of > > > biodegradeable material I can into the trash bin headed to landfill. > > > Do that with all of the agro-produced waste (that normally oxidizes > > > aerobically) in area repositories and there will be significant > > > amounts of "Natural Gas" CH4 available in a couple of decades. > > > > > > Fred > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: John Steck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Date: 12/14/2005 9:55:10 AM > > > > Subject: RE: DON'T PANIC! > > > > > > > > There are theories that petroleum is a by-product of chemical > > > > reactions taking place sub-surface and percolating up through the > > > > bedrock. It's a theory postulated to explain why tapped out oil > > > > fields have been > > > discovered > > > > to be filling back up. > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0387985468/026-0122312-68 > > > > 51 > > > > 65 > > > > 5 > > > > > > > > If true, peak oil will have to be redefined as the rate of > > > > consumption > > > > vs. rate of replenishment. Might not help this civilization, but a > > > > few > > > hundred > > > > thousand years should be enough to refill the tanks for the next > > > > one to emerge after the next ice age / flood / asteroid cleansing. > > > > Hopefully > > > they > > > > will be prudent enough not to smelt down all the circuit boards in > > > > the > > > trash > > > > heaps for their precious metal content before they are smart > > > > enough > > > > to > > > > decode our legacy from them. > > > > > > > > Wow. Sorry about that. Just bummed myself out.... My cynicism > > > > valve > > > seems > > > > to be stuck in the open position this morning. > > > > > > > > -john > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:05 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: DON'T PANIC! > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/story/13949592p-14784245c.ht > > > > ml > > > > > > > > Saudi "proven" reserves are shown at 262.7 billion barrels. In > > > > 1989, > > > > Saudi "proven" reserves were reported at 260 billion barrels. No > > > > significant fields have been discovered since then. How does one > > > > explain the current reserve? Kuwait's Burgan Field (the > > > > second-largest on Earth) has peaked and is in decline. > > > > > > > > <more> > > > > > > > > Keep your towel handy. > > > > ___________________________________________________ > > > > Try the New Netscape Mail Today! > > > > Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List > > > > http://mail.netscape.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
