You got me on that, Stephen.  When you try to interpret Tom Bearden
it could be ELLIOT NESS or LOCH NESS.  :-)

Fred


> [Original Message]
> From: Stephen A. Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: vortex-l <[email protected]>
> Date: 1/2/2006 9:41:50 AM
> Subject: Re: OCCULT ETHER PHYSICS vs BETA  AETHER
>
> I found this totally opaque.  Is it possible to shed a little light on 
> it in a few words?
>
>
> Frederick Sparber wrote:
> > Tom Bearden Sez.
> >  
> >   "The point is that any charge produces a continuous flow of real, 
> > usable EM energy from the vacuum.
>
> Say what?  What is he talking about here?
>
> The field of a fixed charge, as I understand it, is conservative.  It's 
> got a fixed amount of energy; there's no "flow" involved.
>
> So, again, what's he talking about with the "flow" of "real usable EM 
> energy"?
>
>
> > Thermodynamically we are describing a 
> > nonequilibrium steady-state (NESS) system, and such a system is 
> > permitted to continuously emit energy (received from its environment). 
> > The charge also falsifies the present second law of thermodynamics to 
> > any size level and time duration desired, because the emitted photons
>
> As a rule fixed charges only emit real "photons" when they accelerate, 
> and that requires adding energy.
>
> Or is he talking about virtual photons which mediate the fixed E field?
>
>
> > do 
> > form deterministic EM fields and potentials as a function of radial 
> > distance.  One calculates the field intensity and potential intensity
at 
> > any radial point, by a deterministic formula -- not by the use of 
> > statistics.      Stated in the language of thermodynamics, the charge 
> > consumes positive entropy (disordered and uncontrolled energy) in the 
> > virtual state, and coherently integrates it to ordered and controlled 
> > energy in the observable state, which is a negative entropy operation 
> > producing useful EM energy in the observabl! e state."
> >  
> > "The end result is to put some real substance into Lyne's observations 
> > on the excess energy from atomic hydrogen, which is equivalent to the 
> > excess energy from the proton.  The proton (and any other charge,
viewed 
> > in the quantum field theory manner) is continuously and ceaselessly 
> > pouring out real EM energy extracted and coherently integrated 
> > (RE-ORDERED and RECOVERED) from the disordered virtual energy of the 
> > seething vacuum.  So the only barrier to COP>1.0 EM performance with 
> > atomic hydrogen is in the process or method used to diverge and collect 
> > sufficient of the continuously flowing "gusher" of real EM energy from 
> > each atom (each proton). Or, viewed thermodynamically, COP>1.0 
> > performance is permitted by the NESS process, as is already well known 
> > in the thermodynamics of nonequilibrium steady state systems. It's 
> > rather like a windmill in a steady wind. It can permissibly change the 
> > form of its input energy to a different form of output energy, and par! 
> > t of that output energy can be intercepted, collected, and dissipated
to 
> > power external loads.  The common solar cell does the same thing, 
> > receiving observable photons from its environment and outputting 
> > electrical energy."
> > "   So the reader is urged to simply consider the fundamental 
> > information in Lyne's cogent writing, in light of the foregoing 
> > discussion, and sort out the science as he sees fit. The real point of 
> > the article is the excess energy output, and its availability for use
to 
> > perform real work. "
> >  
> >  
> > 
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     *From:* Frederick Sparber <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >     *To: *vortex-l <mailto:[email protected]>
> >     *Sent:* 1/2/2006 2:53:17 AM
> >     *Subject:* Re: OCCULT ETHER PHYSICS vs BETA AETHER
> > 
> >     The CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics gives the H - H bond
> >     energy of 498,000
> >     Joules per mole (119,000 cal/gram mole) or 472 BTU/gram mole.
> >      
> >     Conspiracy, Frank?  :-)
> >      
> >     Fred
> >      
> >     http://www.cheniere.org/misc/a_h%20reaction.htm
> >      
> >     " 109,000 cal./gram mole equals 432.6 BTU/gram mole--- roughly the
> >     heat energy contained in _60 loaves of bread_---the "extra heat
> >     energy" which they have asked us to believe is 'stored' in an amount
> >     of atomic hydrogen which weighs 1/28th of an ounce, during its brief
> >     passage through the arc! How could the transformer produce that much
> >     energy, especially when it uses only half what it does in
> >     conventional welding processes? It seems more likely that excess
> >     heat could be stored in molecules than in 'almost naked' atomic
> >     hydrogen atoms. What ever happened to Bohr's little atom! It got
> >     bigger, and bigger, and........
> > 
> >         Between the older text (1921-1950, from the first and sixth
> >     editions) and the newer (1976) Norton science encyclopedia, it was
> >     obvious that science was much more straightforward in the
> >     pre-National Security Act days, and that . . . . . . "
> > 



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