Piantelli is known to electrically pre-process his Ni bars - just a particular conducted current. I am not sure what exactly this achieves; perhaps only initial grain crystallite alignment, or it could be to drive the impurities out of the grains and into the grain boundaries. He also requires a disturbance of some type to cause the reaction to start. Piantelli believes the individual crystallite grains behave as condensates and the electrons of these condensates act upon a surface hydrogen anion to draw it into the grain, whereupon the anion becomes a part of a Ni atom like a composite fermion with high mass. It almost instantaneously decends the electron shells and comes so close tot he nucleus that a nuclear interaction occurs.
In the case of Brillouin, the waveform he is using will cause absorbed gasses and impurities in the metals to be driven to grain boundaries. Eventually, a lot of voltage could be dropped across the impurities in the grain boundaries. He could be driving the grain boundaries to become Ed Storms' nanocracks and then the waveform exciting the grain boundary/crack with a high electric field. Of course, Dr. Yeong Kim has been proposing that condensates are complicit in LENR. Many argue that condensates cannot form at room temperature. Obviously Piantelli believes they can. I am beginning to have a different take on this. *Perhaps condensates form readily, frequently, fleetingly, and normally go unnoticed on a transient basis; they are immediately broken apart by thermal agitation. Perhaps a shock of various types can lengthen the lifetime of a transient condensate to the point that the condensate has time to act collectively to stimulate a LENR event.* In such cases, you would want to stimulate such a transient condensation over and over. Piantelli points to thermal waves in partial explanation of his reaction. Could thermal waves provide a chained, oscillatory stimulus of transient condensation? Could Brillouin's waveform be doing the same? Just speculation. Bob Higgins On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 2:04 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: > Bob, do you consider the Brillouin Energy Corporation technique as being > a method of achieving LENR? Since they appear to be impacting the hydrogen > impregnated metal with a large phonon compression wave, perhaps another > avenue for reaction exists. I suppose that we must first accept that they > have a working system. > > If a strong shock wave can initiate an LENR reaction then it seems logical > to assume that the localized strong shock generated when a spontaneous LENR > reaction takes place might also have that same effect. We have discussed > this issue before but perhaps it is time to give it further consideration. > > I have not attempted to estimate the magnitude of the local shock that > arises during a typical LENR reaction, but it is likely large. This is due > to the fact that the energy released is substantial and it occurs within a > short time frame. We have been assuming that recoiling by products of the > nuclear reaction carry away much of the released energy in the form of > kinetic energy. Along with that energy is going to be momentum release. > The conservation of momentum implies that the total amount of momentum > imparted to all of the particles must balance out. > > One might assume that each recoiling particle would rapidly accelerate > the atoms along its path producing a shock wave somewhat like that causing > a sonic boom. I can not come up with any reason to assume that this new > shock wave is relatively small compared to the one due to Brillouin's > driver. So why would it not initiate additional reactions in a similar > manner? > > I suppose we would consider the shock wave due to a single LENR fusion > process as being due to a dipole shock source since the conservation of > momentum is operating upon the retreating pair of reactants, assuming 2 are > involved. A dipole field should tend to fall off as the third order with > distance away from the fusing site if it tends to follow typical field > equations as the flux spreads into three dimensional space. That tendency > would localize the shocks volume of influence when compared to a driven > source such as the Brillouin's that appears to be along one major dimension. > > Also, if I recall correctly, shocks such as those caused by lightning find > their energy dissipating rapidly as energy is absorbed by the atoms of air > along the travel path. This lost kinetic energy can of course be in the > form of randomly directed heat. I suspect a similar behavior due to a > single LENR fusion event. Even though the energy is lost very rapidly, the > momentum remains intact. In the case of thunder a return pressure pulse > follows the initial shock spike and is much slower acting. When the return > pressure pulse is competed the air returns to its original state although > with additional thermal energy. > > Please understand that I am speculating in this post and assuming that the > Brillouin system operates as specified. Also, the interactions among the > multitude of active locations within a nickel-hydrogen system should > exhibit effects due to the shock coupling I am discussing. We should > further discuss how that arrangement should lead to positive feedback and > thus an enhanced LENR reaction rate beyond what is expected in it's > absence. It is also not too difficult to visualize a chain reaction of > sorts being possible unless some other mechanism dampens it out. I > encourage other members of the list to submit their ideas concerning this > possible process and its interesting implications. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jones Beene <[email protected]> > To: vortex-l <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, Dec 4, 2015 2:22 pm > Subject: RE: [Vo]:Conservation of miracles > > *From:* Bob Cook > > >>>No other “single miracle” reaction of deuterium has yet been proposed > to meet this criterion, since the excess energy is generally way too > large to hide with any alternative explanation such as fusion or spallation. > <<< > > I suggested long ago that deuterium fuses to form He within the FCC Ni > lattice and distributes excess energy as spin energy in the Ni electronic > structure without the damage and radiation associated with high kinetic > energy of the He daughters. That’s one miracle. > > Bob, > > What you describe is two or possibly three miracles. > > The first miracle is that deuterium will fuse in a Ni lattice at far less > than the threshold energy necessary for nuclear fusion. > > The second miracle is that the well-known mass difference and high level > of excess energy – 24 MeV does not occur immediately, in the form of gamma > radiation. > > The third miracle is that the more probable fusion reactions of deuterium > – which normally happen with the release of neutrons or tritium, either of > which are easily detectable, never happen at all. > > Jones > >
