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On Friday, March 4, 2016, Alain Sepeda <alain.sep...@gmail.com> wrote: > Maybe. > One idea to protect humans from unknown risk is probably to put biological > canaries not far, especially some having less efficient HSP defense. > > making assumption on a blackswan is risky. > anyway there are many things we have learned by observation, even if not > by theory. > Until now the general ideas is that LENR really HATE radiations... that is > part of it's rejection cause. > > 2016-03-04 17:55 GMT+01:00 Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','russ.geo...@gmail.com');>>: > >> If speaking of conventional known radiations this comment about dose and >> detection is true however in ‘cold fusion’ clearly the unknown is afoot. >> One of those unknowns is what is it that can be there but not, or poorly, >> be seen. For example what might be seen as a nominal presence near >> background that can suddenly be made ‘visible’ to detectors where millirem >> signals turn into kilorem! (micro-Sieverts to Sieverts if you prefer) >> Fortunately the human body is more akin to our normal detectors than our >> enhanced cold fusion mischegunon detectors so the harming dose equivalent >> of those massive cold fusion radiations remains for us in health physics >> terms as low doses. Still the better cold fusion cooks are sure to see the >> most exposure and the nature of this new and still very poorly observed to >> say nothing of described radiations is far from clear. More than a few cold >> fusion scientists have succumbed already. As is said in ancient texts ‘one >> does not catch the unknown in a net of the known.’ >> >> >> >> *From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','alain.coetm...@gmail.com');> [mailto: >> alain.coetm...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','alain.coetm...@gmail.com');>] *On Behalf >> Of *Alain Sepeda >> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 12:13 AM >> *To:* Vortex List >> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick? >> >> >> >> the dose, and the speed of dose to make someone sick is huge and canbe >> detected. >> >> This is what people name "deterministic effect" in radioprotection. >> >> This is above 700mSv as fast dose >> >> >> >> there is also undeterministic effect, typically cancer, whose severity is >> independent of the dose, but which are trigger for adult above 100-200mSv >> as fast dose. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> modern biology taught that a cell can endure a given number of genetic >> destruction without any short or long term problem. >> >> above a given rate, there is undeterministic effect (risk of caner of any >> gravity) >> >> and then above a high rate deterministic effect from sickness to death. >> >> >> >> there is much unfounded fear, especially for fulbody scan , foetal >> irradiation, positron imaging... >> >> the threshold today are well known, and the linear dose no treshold >> scarmongering is definitively dead, escept in the media... >> >> >> >> >> >> this article in french is a good reference >> >> http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article1789 >> >> translated: >> >> >> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pseudo-sciences.org%2Fspip.php%3Farticle1789&sandbox=1 >> >> >> >> for those doubting on it, it refers to element of biology that I've seen >> few decade ago described for cancer inception , linked to HSP (heat shock >> protein, which as said in the article don't work only for radiation but for >> any aggression, mostly oxidative stress caused by respiration, the worst >> aggression for DNA) >> >> >> >> there is a video in french which is very clear and interesting fro some >> details not written >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L9rrD3t3FY >> >> >> >> for example there is reference to the number of damage that a cell can >> endure without problem, and above whoch there is non deterministic risks. >> >> >> >> reference also to many myth propagated by scaremongers. >> >> I don't expect to convince as the propaganda is too strong to be opposed >> by data. >> >> >> >> A phenomenon we observe in LENR domain. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2016-03-04 6:57 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','janap...@gmail.com');>>: >> >> Rossi is complaining about a 'failure to thrive' condition such as losing >> weight without reason. We might consider that a primary symptom of chronic >> radiation exposure is unexplained weight loss. >> >> Andrea Rossi >> March 3, 2016 at 9:07 PM >> Jed Orwell: >> I continue to lose weight and we do not understand why. I am going to >> make a lot of “scopies” you name one, I scope it, but I feel well and work >> my 12 hours per day on my E-Cats; today another important loophole with the >> E-Cat X. >> Anyway: yes, I am ready to pass to my Team all the skills necessary to >> make without me, just in case. But I never in my life worked as well as I >> am doing during these days. Obviously, the faster we go, the better. Until >> the horse is good, better ride him. >> F9. >> Warm Regards, >> A.R. >> >> LENR could be producing a form of stealth radiation; radiation that >> damages structure and tissue but does not produce a reading on a radiation >> meter. >> >> John Fisher has detected 1.5 MeV alpha particles radiating from a central >> point of causation. Yet a gamma is not detected that should be there when >> that alpha particle hits the CR-39. >> >> It is well known in many LENR experiments that helium is detected without >> the generation of gamma radiation. This implies that alpha particles are >> produced without the generation of the gammas that usually accompany the >> alphas. >> >> How could this be possible, that alpha radiation can exist without the >> detection of gamma radiation? It could be that a general state of multi >> particle entanglement between the alpha particles and their center of >> causation... let us call that cause an exotic neutral particle (ENP)... >> transfers all gamma radiation through a quantum mechanical pathway to the >> ENP. >> >> However, the damage that the alpha particle produces through kinetic >> impact still occurs. Also, there is evidence that the ENP and float in the >> air. If this is in fact true, this particle can be taken into the body >> where it can catalyze nuclear reactions in tissue... and here too the gamma >> radiation is hidden. >> >> This possibility entered my mind when Mark LeClair claimed that he and >> his research partner were sickened and entered the hospital after a >> experiment with a cavitation based LENR system. Could LeClair have taken >> into his body a large number of these ENPs. >> >> It is important to understand how ENPs work if they exist to protect the >> thousands of replicators that will be getting into the science of LENR. >> >> Like Marie Curie, Rossi might have sacrificed his health to the unknown >> dangers that one must face in the LENR science. >> >> >> > >
