Mike Carrell wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen A. Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: EarthTech's (Scott Little's) magic touch
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I have seen no evidence
that Eartth Tech has these instruments, which Naudin has used.
Does Mizuno's lab have such instruments?
I believe he does, based on comments by Jed, who can communicated
directly with him in Japanese.
This is something I've wondered about, a little, with regard to Ohmori
as well -- if Ohmori's doing work which requires measurement of very
noisy input power levels, and, as Jed says, he's using instruments
which date from the early 20th century, how can he know how much power
is going into the cells?
I don't know. I haven't followed his work closely. I know that Jed
thinks both Mizun and Ohmori are very careful and competent
experimentalists. The vatch with electrical measurement is tha the
common AC meters are calibrated with assumed sine waves. There are
digital "RMS" meters, but these work only if the waveform is not too
distorted and contains mostly distorted power frequency waveforms. A few
instruments have wideband circuits that can perform the RMS operation in
real time. There are a few digital oscilloscopes that will do a snapshot
of E and I waveforms and then do the full RMS calculation. There is a TI
portable oscilloscope which does this.
If you use analog meters and properly calibrate them, they can be used,
but you have to know very well what you are doing.
In Little's third series of "Mizuno runs", trials four and five, in
which he was trying to duplicate Mizuno's results, he apparently used
the same calorimetry and general cell design as Mizuno. His results
showed a pretty clean zero in run 4 (168,000 joules out, 167,000
joules in, difference < 1%), and a complete failure to boil in run 5
(consistent with input power being less than output power), which
suggests that, despite the noisy nature of the input current and
voltage, his _measurements_ were correct (odds of a bogus meter
reading showing power-in == power-out in run 4 would seem to be pretty
low -- you'd expect to see either excess power or an unexplained power
loss in such a case, and in run 5, the lack of boiling was consistent
with the meter readings).
Obviously lots of other things could have been wrong, including the
possible use of a steel anode in place of platinum (quoting Jed, in
old email -- dunno for sure what anode Little was using on those
runs). If he'd packed up his meters (which appear to be portable) and
taken them to Japan and observed a successful run in Mizuno's lab, it
would have at least made it pretty clear whether it was something
going on inside the cell or something going on with the measurements
which made his results come out differently.
Please understand, this is a kind of "Gee I wish..." thing rather than
a criticism of anyone.
Steve, I understand. This is **not** uncommon. I don't know if steel in
place of platinum is critical to the effect. but if you are going
validate someone's work you *****duplicate***** it first until you see
the same results. Then you can 'do your own thing'. If Mizuno wears a
pointy hat, you wear one too. You simply cannot assume that *you* know
better. If, for example, Scott used steel instead of platinum in his
lab, and knew thae Mizuno used platinum, this is a gross error and
flying to Japan with digital pocket meters is not apt to be very
informative. You do the homework first. Some years ago Miley had
performed some experiments showing transmutation and went so far as to
provide kits for others to duplicate his work. Scott got a kit and went
though the motions but did not get Miley's result. After much discussion
back and forth, it develops that Scott did not **duplicate** something,
I think it was a gasket material. Irrelevant? Absolutely not, in a
chemical experiment, for gaskets can leach contaminants. As I recall,
Miley was furious about this.
[If I have something wrong in the above account, pease correct me.]
I don't know about the Miley event. But I don't disagree with the
general principle you're stating, and I don't think Scott would
necessarily disagree, either, based on what I saw on his site.
His initial runs were done very differently from Mizuno's, but when they
didn't work, he attempted to match Mizuno's setup as closely as
possible, at least as far as I could see in the accounts on his website.
As I said, the calorimetry he used in the last 3 or 4 runs was
identical to Mizuno's: bare, transparent cell with computed heat loss to
the environment, and no water jacket. He apparently didn't have
complete specs for some things, like the cell ambient environment, and
had to make some guesses; adding a fan represented one such guess, when
he couldn't get his cooling curve to look like Mizuno's without it; his
cell seemed reluctant to cool as fast as Mizuno's. After reading that,
though, I saw a photo of one of Mizuno's setups on Lenr-Canr and lo and
behold it also used a fan for air circulation. So that guess was
apparently right. (Why didn't Scott know for sure whether Mizuno used a
fan? He says he saw videos of Mizuno's setup. Whatever...)
I know at one point he was using a cathode from Mizuno's lab; later
changes to the cathode were done in part because he was trying to
duplicate Mizuno's current numbers and was having trouble with them.
(At one point Scott sent some of his home-made cathodes to Mizuno, who
tried them and found they generated excess heat FWIW.)
The anode in the later runs was not steel, it was platinum mesh,
fabricated according to Mizuno's instructions. But Scott still may have
blown it on any of a number of other little details, if only because he
never actually saw Mizuno's lab himself, and Mizuno never saw Scott's lab.
Finally, though, it seems to me that the biggest issue is that Scott did
six runs, TOTAL, with the final setup, versus hundreds of runs in
Mizuno's lab. Of those, the first three (I think) were done with
different calorimety, with the cell enclosed in an opaque jacket; there
were just three runs where he really was using the same setup as Mizuno,
and one of those was a dud because the cell wouldn't boil. So really
there were just two runs that one might have expected to have worked (#4
and #6 of the third series). The fact that he was two for two on blanks
wouldn't prove much anyway even if he really did finally get everything
right.
As far as I can see he never figured out why his cell wouldn't reach
boiling, while Mizuno's did.
One lesson one takes away from reading about these experiments is that
this kind of thing takes time, in great, big slabs.
Mike Carrell
