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> [Original Message] > From: Grimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 1/17/2006 11:49:41 AM > Subject: RE: Dash Files for LENR Patent > > At 03:30 am 17/01/2006 -0700, you wrote: > > > Fred > > To answer a question in answer to a question with an answer, > I suggest one needs to adopt the Messerschmitt solution which > led to the production of the very successful Bf 109, two of > which as a boy of 12 I saw flying 50 feet above my head in > 1944 (shades of Jim Graham in Empire of the Sun) - in other > words, one needs to suck it and see. 8-) > > Frank > > > > > > > >Frank. > > > >To answer a question with a question. > > > >What happens to the lift if you use a rotating disk or > >blow air over a board with a gazillion holes (blind or through?) in it? > >Will rotating your hemispherical spaghetti strainer (fixed plate seal on > >bottom?) > >add buoyancy lift to the Bernoulli lift? > >Banned from the kitchen forever? :-) > > > >Fred > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Grimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Date: 1/16/2006 9:12:13 PM > >> Subject: RE: Dash Files for LENR Patent > >> > >> At 08:09 pm 16/01/2006 -0700, you wrote: > >> > >> I wonder if anyone has ever optimised the Frisbee design > >> by doing what Messerschmitt did with the Bf 109 wing, > >> i.e. a completely empirical approach with a series of > >> small changes and precise measurement of the effects - > >> He deliberately made them too weak and saw which line > >> of rivets popped first - a process of climbing up the > >> efficiency slope to find the top of the hill. > >> Of course, there's is no guarantee it's the highest hill. 8-( > >> > >> Frank > >> > >> > >> > >> >Good info, Rick. > >> > > >> >That might explain some of the reported "antigravity weight loss" of > >motors. > >> > > >> >The 90 ft/sec perimeter velocity on a 12 inch disk at 1728 rpm is > >interesting > >> >to say the least, if it saw a thrust of about a pound in 0.785 square > >feet. > >> >Covering "the bottom with something non rotating" as you say, > >> >is easy enough, I think. > >> > > >> >OTOH, a board mounted on a scale with the suction end of > >> >a vacuum cleaner or leaf blower on one end and the blower > >> >hose on the other setting up high velocity air flow, > >> >might lead to an Aero-Hoverboard that you > >> >can Surf the Clouds with on Saturdays. > >> > > >> >4' x 8 ' x 3" fiber glassed Styrofoam? > >> > > >> >Fred > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: Rick Monteverde > >> >To: [email protected] > >> >Sent: 1/16/2006 6:49:49 PM > >> >Subject: RE: Dash Files for LENR Patent > >> > > >> > > >> >Fred - > >> > > >> >Cover the bottom with something non-rotating. > >> > > >> >I built a small centrifuge a while back for casting small plastic parts > >with thick resin, 1728rpm motor, disk 12" or so in diameter. The flat disk > >(no skirt) was fully exposed above but was recessed into a box with the > >motor underneath so the bottom was exposed to the inside of the closed box. > >Lost about a pound of weight when run, which seemed like a lot for such a > >small gizmo. > >> > > >> >I wonder how a freely rotating air-blocking disk mounted on an axle on > >the underside of a frisbee would affect performance. Maybe try it on one > >with no skirt - the 1-element flying Tesla turbine. Give it a little > >counterspin before throwing. > >> > > >> >- R. > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Frederick Sparber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:08 PM > >> >To: [email protected] > >> >Subject: RE: Dash Files for LENR Patent > >> > > >> > > >> >Rick Monteverde wrote: > >> > > >> > " I bet that would work! Though simply spinning the disk would pull in > >air over the surface due to dragging from the boundary layer (beta ether > >again), so the added mechanical complexity of a blower isn't even > >necessary. Yes, I think I'll call it the "Freely Rotating Intake Surface > >Beta Ether Engine", or FRISBEE for short." > >> > > >> >Cool Rick. Too bad I didn't think of it. :-) > >> > > >> >OTOH if you spin just a disk without a skirt (inverted stock tanks have > >> >a skirt) it will be symmetrical and cancel. > >> > > >> >Got a pie tin, mini motor and a digital scale? > >> > > >> >A long time ago before Frisbees, we used to toss the metal caps off > >asphalt roofing > >> >rolls impressive distances. But our dog knew better than catching them. > >> > > >> >Fred > >> > >
