The polariton is the exception to Jones' conjecture. The polariton is of boson not subject to the Pauli principle and can form a BEC at any temperature. The electons that are part of the polariton are all syntonized in a dipole oscillation and the photons are contained in a whispering gallery wave based soliton where INTERFERENCE coordinates their entanglement thus guaranteeing absolute coherence where position in space does not matter.
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: > Gents, > > A different and maybe clearer wording of what Robin is saying is that the > collective quantum "state" in a packed palladium matrix, which could lead > to an overlap of location if it were perfect, is never really localized in > 3 space, due to macro movement of earth in orbit around a Sun in orbit > around the Milky Way, etc. etc ... > > And since the state itself of any two particles cannot have exactly zero > momentum (in the real world of a Universe in motion) in fact not even close > - then the Heisenberg principle ALWAYS puts a lower limit on the degree to > which localized packing of particles can be densified when they are > composite bosons. And it is always far from perfect - usually no different > from high mechanical pressure. > > If the bosons in question are composite bosons, such as deuterium in LENR, > and they have non-zero momentum due to rapidly changing position in > 3-space, and the "state" of each must the include the constituent parts - > which are moving relative to each other (Fermionic parts like the > electrons) and which are never in complete alignment due to macro movement. > The fermionic bits of each atom are then are REQUIRED to obey the Pauli > principle as if they were independent and not bosonic. If this were not so, > then a flawless diamond could occasionally disappear when brought to near > zero k. > > Consequently, and despite the allure of an easy route to fusion, a BEC can > never really be condensed down to an extremely dense accumulation, leading > to easy fusion. > > As a practical matter, composite bosons must be treated as fermions when > it comes to ultimate packing ratios. This is not the easy route which > proponents of LENR first imagined. > > Jones > > mix...@bigpond.com wrote: > >> In reply to bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message: >> >> My suggestion about allowable locations for Bose particles reflects the >> Introduction below form The following document noted by Axil: >> >> ‘Disorder, synchronization and phase locking in >> non-equilibrium Bose-Einstein condensates’ >> >> BY: Paul R. Eastham, Trinity College Dublin, Dublin 2, Ireland and >> Bernd Rosenow University of Leipzig, 04009 Leipzig, Germany >> >> “INTRODUCTION >> It is twenty years weakly-interacting ultracold gas. In other settings, >> namely superconductivity (which we understand in terms of a Bose-Einstein >> condensate of Cooper pairs), Bose-Einstein condensates have been available >> in laboratories for over a century. Yet their behaviour is still >> startling. >> Because the many particles of the condensate occupy the same quantum >> state, collective properties become described by a macroscopic >> wavefunction, >> with an interpretation parallel to that of the single-particle >> wavefunction >> of Schr odinger's equation >> [snip] >> Note that he says "state", not "place"/"location". >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Robin van Spaandonk >> >> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html >> >> >> >
