Bob - What you say is true and I am using both Mills, Holmlid, Paillet-Muelenberg and many others like Arata (pychno) in the more general sense of having found a version of "dense hydrogen" even though the details of each are different and in some cases, vastly different.

There could be several different varieties of dense hydrogen - and they could all be right when describing the one they find -- or there could be only one variety and they are all only half-right. Far too little resources have been applied to find out the truth, and experiments like Alan's could revive that effort.



Bob Higgins wrote:
Well, Jones, I hate to keep bringing up that Holmlid and Mills are nearly opposite apples and oranges. Holmlid's technology involves creation of high potential energy _multi-atom clusters_ in the Rydberg state (electron in a high energy state that is nearly ionized), and somehow (thermodynamic improbability) catalyzing these large high energy clusters into a higher energy compact form (UDD/UDH). As you well know, Vavra/Mills/Paillet-Muelenberg are proposing that _single atoms_ are shrunken to a state below the classic ground level by _removing_ energy from the electron via evanescent means (non-photon exchange), resulting in a very _low energy_ compacted _single atom_ of small physical size. What a magic material it would be to enhance the formation of both types of exotic matter.

    Hi Bob,

    Yes - good observation and I should have brought this up earlier
    (but the posting was too long to begin with). A mechano-alloy
    would never be uniform and would be an admixture of grains.

    The fact that nickel and silver are mutually insoluble means that
    one would have to abandon any hope of D+D fusion in a matrix as
    the main operative mechanism for gain. But of course, that is a
    given when you do not use deuterium - and thus, anything related
    to Ni-H has already abandoned the possibility of fusion resulting
    in helium.

    It would be an insurmountable problem if the criterion for success
    of a metal matrix were to be only the inter-atomic spacing of the
    alloy and the strengthening against cracks. Thus the analogy to
    Type A Pd (when compared to Ni-Ag) is not strong unless there is
    more going-on than fusion. In fact it is a weak analogy if we do
    not accept a compound process which involves "densification".

    In the end, what I am proposing is that silver is special for its
    nuclear properties - and anything else is simply a bonus. That
    would imply that the fact that it works well with palladium could
    be twofold, and involves not only fusion but more. I hate to keep
    bringing up Holmlid, but his findings are the key to both Ni-H and
    Pd-D, from my perspective.

    In both cases (Pd-D or Ni-H) - anomalous thermal gain is explained
    as a two-step process, which must first involve the conversion of
    the normal hydrogen molecule into the dense atomic form. With
    Pd-D, this would mean that UDD (aka "pychno") is a necessary first
    step -- following which which UDD can fuse or it can react in
    other ways. But with Ni-H... where the nickel is a mechano-alloy
    with silver, with crude spacing and dirty grains, the operative
    reaction would be very different and probably involves the
    "quasi-neutron."

    Importantly, silver could promote densification. We see this
    possibility most clearly in the Mills SunCell. Mills goes to great
    lengths in his most recent patent application to explain how
    silver does this, since the element was not one of his original
    catalysts and was avoided for many years.

    This probably means that the delay which Mills BLP seems to be
    currently experiencing (in a meaningful public demo, and in the
    rumor mill) relates to gamma radiation following silver
    activation. The activation in not due to a real neutron, but to
    UDH (hydrino) as a surrogate neutron.


    On 6/19/2017 8:23 AM, Bob Higgins wrote:
    Jones,  As you have discussed, the Type A Pd that appears to be
    LENR active is an actual alloy.  In an alloy you expect an atomic
    level crystal lattice alteration - the lattice constants of the
    alloy are uniform and different than with Pd alone.  However,
    what you describe as a "mechanical alloy" is unlikely to be
    anything other than an admixture of grains of Ag with grains of
    Ni.  An "alloy" and a "mechanical alloy" are two vastly different
    things.  It is sort of like the nickel silver not having any
    silver - the mechanical alloy has no alloy.

    True alloying would alter the lattice constants by creating a new
    crystal structure incorporating the alloy metal at the basic
    atomic crystallographic level; hopefully in a way that allows
    more H to enter the lattice.  Also, forming a true alloy would
    potentially lower the vacancy formation energy of the Ni; which,
    in some theories would raise the LENR rate.  OTOH, if a
    "mechanical alloy" is formed, the only difference achieved will
    be creation of dirty grain boundaries between solid grains of Ni
    and Ag.  It is possible that effects could occur at such grain
    boundaries, so it can't hurt to try.  It is just hard to envision
    what would promote LENR by creating a "mechanical alloy".

    On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


        One further detail about the possible advantage of using
        silver alloyed with nickel in LENR, instead of pure nickel -
        with hydrogen as the gaseous reactant, instead of deuterium.

        If this were to work for LENR gain, the identity of the
        nuclear reaction is not the same. Obviously, such an alloy as
        Ni-Ag (assuming it is made via mechanical alloying)... would
        be unlikely to produce helium from fusion, as happens in
        Pd-D... since there is no deuterium (although a alpha
        emission following proton nuclear tunneling is not ruled
        out.) But there is an ideal alternative reaction.

        First - a detail which you may not be aware of is the
        composition of control rods in nuclear fission reactors going
        back 50 years. As it turns out - silver has been commonly
        used as an alloy in control rods, along with boron. Part of
        the explanation is here but there is more to it than meets
        the eye. Silver is like a magnet for neutrons more so than
        any other element across the entire spectrum.

        http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2011/ph241/grayson1/
        <http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2011/ph241/grayson1/>

        In short, silver has a high cross section for neutrons of all
        energies whereas boron and cadmium and other absorbents
        generally work with neutrons of a narrow energy range. Silver
        wants them all and this could imply more, if Ag works with
        nickel.

        But where are the neutrons to being with? - oops - there are
        none, or so it seems.

        But lets broaden this suggestion to include Holmlid's
        results. Holmlid shows that UDH can be made simply by flowing
        hydrogen over a catalyst. If so then we could end up with a
        neutron substitute, which is the so-called "quasi-neutron".

        This presumed particle is larger than a neutron, but
        otherwise could be a substitute. This quasi-neutron could
        also be what Widom and Larsen are claiming as an active
        particle of LENR.

        The crux of the issue is this. Silver has a high
        cross-section for neutrons of all energies and the quasi
        neutron could also favor silver - but this is not proved. If
        it happens, the energy of the gamma should be less, since the
        mass-energy of UDH is less. Also the half-life following
        activation is very short and there is little or no residual
        radioactivity.

        Jones


            Much has been said about Type A palladium and its special
            reactivity with hydrogen, some of which is due to the
            alloy being one fourth silver. Since pure palladium
            doesn't work as well, it might be said that most of the
            reactivity seen in cold fusion has been due to the
            special properties of the alloy, which is a 3:1 ratio
            (75% Pd 25% Ag).

            In many ways, nickel can be considered to be a surrogate
            of palladium. Nickel resides directly under Pd in the
            Periodic table, and has an identical valence electron
            structure. This leads one to wonder about an alloy of
            nickel and silver, based on transposing the results of
            cold fusion to protium, instead of deuterium.

            Unfortunately, in the historical context - and going back
            300 years in metallurgy, the term "nickel silver" refers
            to a well known alloy of copper, nickel and zinc which
            contains zero silver. Essentially, nickel silver is a
            brass alloy that looks like much like the more expensive
            silver and is much stronger and more durable - making it
            a great substitute for most common uses.

            This old alloy was created to serve exactly the same
            purpose as silver for attractive shinny flatware but not
            as prohibitively expensive - about 20 times less
            expensive per unit of weight than silver. This semantic
            confusion did not lead to neglect of finding a real alloy
            of nickel and silver since these two metals are indeed
            mutually insoluble. They do not mix. That kind of
            insolubility is somewhat unusual in itself for metals so
            similar - but basically the two metals do NOT alloy by
            melting together as is commonly done.

            However, this proposed LENR alloy which I will call "Type
            A Nickel" in the 3:1 ratio has been studied in another
            context - and found to have exceptional properties for
            water splitting. To accomplish this they had to go to
            extraordinary lengths to achieve an alloy. There are very
            few papers on this because of the lack of a commercial
            alloy which can be purchased.

            BUT ... there is a strong suspicion that "Type A Nickel"
            could be special for replacing pure nickel in LENR. This
            assumes that silver is reactive in its own right for a
            nuclear reaction, such as in the protonation reaction
            Robin mentioned in another thread.

            BTW - In the paper "Nickel–silver alloy electrocatalysts
            for hydrogen evolution and oxidation in an alkaline
            electrolyte"  Tang and others showed that the NiAg alloy
            is an excellent catalyst for the hydrogen evolution
            reaction. Based on the free energy of adsorbed hydrogen,
            theory predicts that alloys of nickel and silver are very
            active for these type of hydride reactions and they are.
            The alloy is just hard to make or else you would have
            heard about it before now.

            Basically - the Type A Nickel could work better for NiH
            reactions than nickel, since it is twice as reactive for
            water splitting (as defined in their test) which needs to
            be proven out. This testing has been neglected in the
            past - due to the lack of electrodes... for which there
            is a work-around. That is what I propose to add: an easy
            work around at least for some experiments.

            My suggestion to anyone contemplating a gas phase
            reaction is to try mixing nickel-black and silver-black
            in a high speed ball mill, in a ratio of 3:1 --- where
            mechanical alloying is expected. Then, use this composite
            powder instead of nickel. Mechanical alloying is special
            in its own way and could add something akin to surface
            treatment.

            Electrolysis reactions would be more difficult to
            accomplish with powder - and since this proposed
            work-around for silver/nickel insolubility involves metal
            powders and mechanical alloying a different geometry
            would be needed for the cell. However, powder has been
            used for electrolysis electrodes before (as a colloid) -
            and it could be worth the effort.









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