So where's this patent?

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 7:06 PM, Axil Axil <> wrote:

> Papp spent a few years developing the noble gas version of his  engine
> control that was more stable. By the early '80s, Papp found a new engineer
> to work with, Bob Rohner of West Liberty, Iowa. Papp settled in Florida.
> Several working engines ran during the Rohner years, which lasted until
> Papp died in '89. During this time, his third patent application was met
> with a USPTO request for a working model. Papp refused to not only take an
> engine to Washington DC, but also to leave it with anyone for any length of
> time. The USPTO then requested a dynamometer affidavit. A diesel engine
> test group associated with the University of Oklahoma agreed to come to
> Florida to test the engine. The affidavit was accepted by the USPTO and
> they issued the patent.
> That patent was designated by the patent office to be the best patent
> granted in that patent year.
> What other overunity devices has be granted a patent?
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Brian Ahern <> wrote:
>> Rossi  - Papp  What's the difference. There is not support data.
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>> *From:* Axil Axil <>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 5:53 PM
>> *To:* vortex-l
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The Papp engine and cavitation
>> I have been trying to understate how the Papp engine works for years. It
>> is a mystery. This is no information available on how it works.
>> A clue to the production of a plasma based explosion is now coming from
>> Holmlid's experiments. Holmlid has just discovered that a spark can be used
>> to activate that plasma explosion just as well as a laser pulse.
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Che <> wrote:
>>> Where's the best online source to go to for information on this?
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Axil Axil <> wrote:
>>>> I am beginning to understand that the Papp engine was a cavitation
>>>> based device.
>>>> In the 1960's Papp used water for his fuel. Papp must have produced
>>>> water crystals in the compression part of the cylinder cycle where the
>>>> volume of the cylinder was decreasing. During this increasing pressure
>>>> environment inside the cylinder, cavitation bubbles must have formed
>>>> thereby producing ultra dense water crystals.
>>>> For example, some larger diesel engines suffer from cavitation due to
>>>> high compression and undersized cylinder walls. Vibrations of the
>>>> cylinder wall induce alternating low and high pressure in the coolant 
>>>> against
>>>> the cylinder wall. The result is pitting of the cylinder wall, which will
>>>> eventually let cooling fluid leak into the cylinder and combustion
>>>> gases to leak into the coolant.
>>>> To stop the cavitation based erosion of the cylinder walls and the
>>>> subsequent loss of compression over time, Papp went to noble gases which
>>>> produce ultra dense noble gas crystals during the compression stage of the
>>>> cylinder cycle but the formation of ultra dense noble gas crystals did not
>>>> damage the cylinder walls.
>>>> When Papp fired a spark, the ultra dense noble gas crystals exploded as
>>>> happens in the Holmlid experiment when the ultra dense hydrogen cycltals
>>>> produce atomic particle fragments that move outward at 3/4 the speed of
>>>> light. Currently, Holmlid does not capture that huge amount of energy
>>>> inherent to his expanding plasma.
>>>> To utilize the energy in the expanding plasma, Holmlid might capture
>>>> that nuclear powered expanding plasma as Papp once did in an engine design
>>>> using ultra dense hydrogen as fuel.

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