On 7/23/2017 4:48 PM, vrand2...@gmail.com wrote:

More information on Fisher/Oriani Collaboration in a 2010 article in Infinite Energy Magazine, the two scientists that Mark Hugo talked about in the Papp Engine video:


Michael Randall


Check out Mark Hugo, ME video on his understanding on the operation of the Papp Engine.

*"It's Not HHO: Cold Fusion & The Papp Engine" *

Michael Randall

On 7/23/2017 4:14 PM, Axil Axil wrote:


On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 7:08 PM, Che <comandantegri...@gmail.com <mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    So where's this patent?

    On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 7:06 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com
    <mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Papp spent a few years developing the noble gas version of
        his  engine control that was more stable. By the early '80s,
        Papp found a new engineer to work with, Bob Rohner of West
        Liberty, Iowa. Papp settled in Florida. Several working
        engines ran during the Rohner years, which lasted until Papp
        died in '89. During this time, his third patent application
        was met with a USPTO request for a working model. Papp
        refused to not only take an engine to Washington DC, but also
        to leave it with anyone for any length of time. The USPTO
        then requested a dynamometer affidavit. A diesel engine test
        group associated with the University of Oklahoma agreed to
        come to Florida to test the engine. The affidavit was
        accepted by the USPTO and they issued the patent.

        That patent was designated by the patent office to be the
        best patent granted in that patent year.

        What other overunity devices has be granted a patent?

        On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Brian Ahern
        <ahern_br...@msn.com <mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com>> wrote:

            Rossi  - Papp  What's the difference. There is not
            support data.

            *From:* Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com
            *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 5:53 PM
            *To:* vortex-l
            *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The Papp engine and cavitation
            I have been trying to understate how the Papp engine
            works for years. It is a mystery. This is no information
            available on how it works.

            A clue to the production of a plasma based explosion is
            now coming from Holmlid's experiments. Holmlid has just
            discovered that a spark can be used to activate that
            plasma explosion just as well as a laser pulse.

            On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Che
            <mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com>> wrote:

                Where's the best online source to go to for
                information on this?

                On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Axil Axil
                <janap...@gmail.com <mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:

                    I am beginning to understand that the Papp engine
                    was a cavitation based device.

                    In the 1960's Papp used water for his fuel. Papp
                    must have produced water crystals in the
                    compression part of the cylinder cycle where the
                    volume of the cylinder was decreasing. During
                    this increasing pressure environment inside the
                    cylinder, cavitation bubbles must have formed
                    thereby producing ultra dense water crystals.

                    For example, some larger diesel engines suffer
                    from cavitation due to high compression and
                    undersized cylinder walls. Vibrations of the
                    cylinder wall induce alternating low and high
                    pressure in the coolant against the cylinder
                    wall. The result is pitting of the cylinder wall,
                    which will eventually let cooling fluid leak into
                    the cylinder and combustion gases to leak into
                    the coolant.

                    To stop the cavitation based erosion of the
                    cylinder walls and the subsequent loss of
                    compression over time, Papp went to noble gases
                    which produce ultra dense noble gas
                    crystals during the compression stage of the
                    cylinder cycle but the formation of ultra dense
                    noble gas crystals did not damage the cylinder walls.

                    When Papp fired a spark, the ultra dense noble
                    gas crystals exploded as happens in the Holmlid
                    experiment when the ultra dense hydrogen cycltals
                    produce atomic particle fragments that move
                    outward at 3/4 the speed of light. Currently,
                    Holmlid does not capture that huge amount of
                    energy inherent to his expanding plasma.

                    To utilize the energy in the expanding plasma,
                    Holmlid might capture that nuclear powered
                    expanding plasma as Papp once did in an
                    engine design using ultra dense hydrogen as fuel.

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