The magnetic resonance states of the fC13 would be easy to test for and should 
say much about the nature of the entity, if it exists.   An unpaired electron 
in a 1p H(0) would certainly have a unique signature IMHO.  The key would be to 
get enough to test.

Bob Cook

From: Bob Higgins<>
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 9:25 AM
Subject: [Vo]: f13C or faux13C

As I understand it, there are two hydrino-like transitions that could occur, 
perhaps on a 12C atom.  Suppose that the 12C is subject to catalytic hydrino 
formation wherein one of its electron enters a (1/p) state.  Such an electron 
would enter an orbital around the nucleus that is smaller than the s orbital 
and would screen one of the protons from the remainder of the electrons.  This 
would cause it chemical and spectral properties to appear as 12B instead of 
12C.  This would be a very unusual find because real 12B decays with a 
half-life of 20ms and should not be seen in the experiment.  Finding a stable 
signature of 12B would be a likely indicator of formation of the hydrino state 
of 12C.
Now consider that a hydrino hydride ion, described by Mills as H-(1/p) could 
enter a hydrogen nucleus and bind so tightly as to become an innermost orbital 
below the s orbital.  A similar thing would happen in that this tightly bound 
negative charge would screen a proton as far as the remainder of the 12C 
electrons are concerned - it would have a mass of 13, but would chemically and 
spectrally appear as 13B, not 13C.  13B has the same uniqueness in discovery as 
the 12B - because real 13B has a half-life of only 17ms and hence should not be 
found in the experiment.  It would only be determined to be 13C accidentally if 
there were no spectra taken - I.E. in a high resolution mass spectrometer test 
only.  This aspect is certainly not out of the question, as 13B would not be 
anticipated to be found because real 13B would quickly decay most of the time 
to 13C anyway.  If they were to test for the x-ray spectra of B, perhaps the 
hydrino hydride of 12C could be detected.

Note, however, that 13C is stable and is about 1% of natural C.  It is not used 
for dating.  Interestingly, the natural variation of 13C is nearly +/-1%.  
Could the hydrino hydride of 12C cause a measurement uncertainty in the 
isotopic ratio of 13C/12C?

I estimate that hydrino states would be as stable in atoms with multiple 
electrons as they are with hydrogen having a single electron.  The reason is 
that the additional electrons of, say a 12C, provide a possible means of 
evanescent coupling to the innermost (hydrino) electron and provides some 
opportunity to transfer energy without photon transfer and relieve the hydrino 

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:44 AM, JonesBeene 
<<>> wrote:
Here is a detail which came up earlier – the embedded proton concept works best 
in the context of the Mills’ “hydrino hydride” where the proton and two very 
tight electrons combine into a stable ion which replaces carbon’s innermost 
orbital electron. The innermost orbital of carbon would need to have a binding 
strength which is resonant with dense hydrogen in order to do this so Rydberg 
values come into play.

Holmlid, Mills, Miley, Mayer, Meulenberg and others who have written on the 
subject of dense hydrogen have different thinking on the details. They could 
all be partly correct with Mills being the most accurate for this detail (but 
he does not mention 13C).

The innermost carbon electron is bound at slightly less than 490 eV which is 
exactly the 18th Rydberg multiple… yet it is not clear how significant that 
detail is in the context of coal formation.


In prior thread, the premise was suggested that there are two different species 
(allotropes) of carbon which are being called carbon-13. One of the two species 
is the normal isotope with 7 neutrons, but the second is carbon-12 with a 
deeply embedded proton of UDH (the ultra-dense hydrogen) of Holmlid.

This result has happened with some types of carbon during the 100 million year 
formation process of decay from ancient vegetation under pressure in coal beds, 
especially anthracite and mineral graphite. This type of coal is often used to 
manufacture the kinds of graphite where physical anomalies have been witnessed.

Here is another piece of evidence which points to a thermal anomaly with carbon 
which could be explained with this hypothesis. (Thanks to Can for the link)

The Replication of an Experiment Which Produced Anomalous Excess 
More on those details later…


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