Clearly the stainless steel parts in said tube furnaces have not 'combusted'
in spite of being in air at 1000 C for 48 hours or more. Speaking of oxygen
is fruitless as noone of the experiments is conducted in other than air. 


The kanthal wire that is the heater is well characterized as having
aluminium that migrates to the surface and forms a protective oxide. When
that oxide is disturbed, as in scratched off during handling, it leads to
oxidation of the rest of the kanthal metal and failure. Undisturbed the
kanthal seems durable at 1000 C in air.


There is plenty of utility in examining the witness temperatures of various
materials melting and oxidation effects. 




From: Brian Ahern [] 
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LION experiments


Melting points are irrelevant. Stainless steel combusts at 1,000C in oxygen.
Tungsten combusts to WOx at 800C

Iron powder slowly oxidizes at room temperature in handwarmers. 


The combustion can be extremely rapid and high temperature in the case of
thermite reactions.


From: Axil Axil < <> >
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 4:47 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LION experiments 


I wonder if "the  fervent practice of conflation" means that the fusion meme
that has been the mainstay of LENR theory for so long should now be retooled
to somehow  fit into an as of yet unfathomable  understanding of the LION
reactor meltdown. Russ is among those who are clearly confused by the LION
reactor meltdown. Here is his analysis as follows: 


Melting Miasma - The intact Kanthal wire is a witness to the temperature not
reaching the melting point of kanthal which is listed as being 1500 C. The
alumina block melts above 2000 C, the quartz melts at just under 1700 C. So
if the quartz melted likely the kanthal which was in contact with the quartz
might be expected to melt, not seen. Surely the alumina foam which was
outside of the quartz melting at 2000 C would not 'melt' without the
intervening kanthal showing melting which would occur at 1500 C. If during
the oxidation of the copper that is clearly apparent, that very hot copper
oxidation process was capable of perhaps breaking the quartz and that copper
oxide invaded the surrounding materials it might well have bonding with all.
Copper oxide melts at 1326 C. Copper melts at 1085 C. Nickel melts at 1455
C, don't forget the tiny 2.5 mm diameter 10 micron thick nickel pads with
the diamonds attached to them that are the purported fuel are clearly seen
and did NOT melt. Nor did the stainless steel bolt that plugged the reactor
tube, stainless steels melt between 1400-1500 C depending on the alloy.

All theses known materials and melting points bear witness to many
temperatures that might have been reached in the hot 'reaction' zone. In the
'dummy' test runs conducted at Alan's, the maker of the tube furnace test
bed, at 1000 C. in these dummy runs without any anomalous fuels, aka the
nickel diamond discs, the aggressive hot chemistry of the copper oxide and
is very clearly seen. It has fused/bonded itself to the quartz for example.
The silver foil that underlaid the copper wire winding at the distal end has
a melting point 961 C, is apparent this temperature was reached as the
silver appears to have moved by capillary action into the copper/copper
oxide material and also appears to have been an effective brazing metal on
the quartz, something it is known to do in common practice when making metal
seals on quartz lab wear. All, or almost all, the copper was converted to
copper oxide at 1000 C, this was not the case in a duplicate test at 800 C
where considerable of the copper wire remained as metal though it was
oxidized on the surface. The replication with power and thermal data may
tell the tale, patience is going to be required before we might make sense
of this miasma. Hopefully no one reports seeing the 'face of Jesus' in the
miasma before the replication and more extensive data is in hand, that would
really confuse matters.



On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Russ <
<> > wrote:

What's to discuss other than perhaps something about the diagnostic incite
offered by fervent practice of conflation.


From: Alberto De Souza [
<> ] 
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:57 PM
To: <> 
Subject: [Vo]:LION experiments


This forum is rather silent about the LION experiments, currently being
examined by MFMP... Anyone care to comment?


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