I understand that the ODD petal count is found in ATOMIC condensates where spin orbit coupling is in play. The EVEN petal counts are found in polariton condensates. Polariton condensates can be perturbed and in that state they sometimes can have odd petal counts but in the steady state the petal count is even.
On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 11:04 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com < bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Axil— > > > > The group from UC San Diago noted the following: > > > > “Because both waves are subject to periodic boundary conditions, their > superpositions always possess an even number of lobes with a well-defined > phase and a phase jump of π in between lobes (Fig. 1*G*). Mathematically, > these properties are consonant with a description as superpositions of two > LG*p*,±*l* modes with radial index *p* = 0 and azimuthal indices ±*l*, > where the number of lobes *n* is given by * n* = 2*l* (*SI” * > <http://www.pnas.org/lookup/suppl/doi:10.1073/pnas.1401988111/-/DCSupplemental/pnas.1401988111.sapp.pdf> > > > > The news item below indicates that some condensates have FIVE PETALS. > > > > Do you understand the difference that cause some even and some odd number > of petalsa? > > > > Bob Cook > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, May 7, 2018 12:55:35 PM > > *To:* vortex-l > *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR > > > - > > A wonderful article that explains why the petal condensate forms and > remains stable. > > > Chiral spin separation catalyzes the LENR reaction. Spin based Bosons > without charge will separate by handedness into two counter rotating rings. > > > Odd-petal-number states and persistent flows in spin-orbit-coupled > Bose-Einstein condensates > > > https://phys.org/news/2017-05-…oupled-bose-einstein.html > > <https://phys.org/news/2017-05-odd-petal-number-states-persistent-spin-orbit-coupled-bose-einstein.html> > > > [image: 1-oddpetalnumb.jpg] > > > On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 3:42 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com < > bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Axil— >> >> >> >> I conclude that your notice of the work by the group at UC San Diago is >> profound IMHO. >> >> And I note that the paper explains that the petal “LG-type structure >> suggests implementations using the orbital angular momentum of light.” >> This feature is addressed by Allen L, Beijersbergen, etal in (*1992*) >> *Orbital >> angular momentum of light and the transformation of Laguerre–Gaussian laser >> modes*. Phys Rev A *45*(*11*):*8185*–*8189*. >> >> Axil, I assume your statement: “The petal condensate just contains the >> spins of electrons and photons” refers to the INTRINSIC SPIN of each >> particle. The spin (angular momentum) of the rotating petals is quantified >> as a J quantum number for the entire BEC. >> >> >> >> Bob Cook >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Monday, May 7, 2018 10:06:45 AM >> *To:* vortex-l >> *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR >> >> >> Polaritons always form on the surface of metal. When there is enough of >> them, they naturally begin to come together into a structure that looks >> like a petal. When a critical density is reached, they form a condensate. >> >> >> This Polariton Bose condensate can store energy. How does this condensate >> do this? The polariton condensate that does this power storage is called a >> petal condensate. >> >> >> Coupled counter-rotating polariton condensates in optically defined >> annular potentials >> >> http://www.pnas.org/content/111/24/8770 >> >> >> Stable Switching among High-Order Modes in Polariton Condensates >> >> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1602.03024 >> >> >> [image: F1.large.jpg] >> <https://www.lenr-forum.com/image-proxy/?key=1d8bcaa5c7bf279028d38434b4815126c43edf443e73d739ecebc6b73d13f8ac-aHR0cDovL3d3dy5wbmFzLm9yZy9jb250ZW50L3BuYXMvMTExLzI0Lzg3NzAvRjEubGFyZ2UuanBn> >> >> >> As power is pumped into the petal condensate the number of petals >> increases, the frequency of the light that the petals are comprised of >> increases from red to blue to XUV and then to X-ray. The diameter of the >> condensate also increases from nano-meters, to millimeters and then to >> centimeters. At high energy storage levels, the Petal condensate becomes >> visible to the naked eye. The petal condensate can move around. >> >> >> The petal condensate is comprised of two counterattacking rings of >> polaritons. As the energy is pumped into this condensate, the energy is >> also stored as increasing annular momentum of the rotating rings. The petal >> condensate just contains the spins of electrons and photons. The charge and >> orbits stay in the electric dipole part of the polariton. >> >> >> The electric dipole that the petal condensate is entangled with also >> increases in size. >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_dipole_moment >> >> >> [image: VFPt_dipole_animation_electric.gif] >> >> The diameter of the dipole increases into the millimeters. >> >> >> The energy storage potential of a petal condensate can get as high as a >> few GeV. >> >> >> In the LION reactor meltdown as well as many other LENR experiments, >> strange radiation is seen. These particle tracks are produced by the energy >> rich petal condensate as it moves around and absorbs energy using self >> pumping along it path of travel. >> >> >> The basic driver of the LENR reaction is chiral spin polarization. There >> are a number of structures that naturally form in nature that produce this >> type of polarization. The petal condensate is one of them. The petal >> condensate is make up of two counter rotating currents of spin. The two >> counter rotating rings of spin are composed of a right handed spin current >> and left handed spin current. >> >> >> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:04 AM, Roarty, Francis X < >> francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: >> >>> Axil, Your paragraph snipped below makes me question a relationship to >>> Casimir effect, does your scenario exist even when the pumping of the >>> cavity is just virtual particles? Is that enough to form a BEC and a basis >>> for Casimir effect rejecting longer virtual particles in the cavity… the >>> effect only occurs in conductive plates so the electron cloud and potential >>> for polaritons is present. I’m wondering if “nonequilibrium driven >>> disapative systems” is related to the vacuum density in these cavities. I >>> assume it applies to both Rossi and Mills geometries but you are >>> concentrating on the conversion and shielding aspect…. What synergy do you >>> predict between this shielding/conversion aspect and the actual source of >>> the gamma? Does your theory require gas atoms in the cavity or are you >>> saying that just energy alone pumped into the cavity will suffice? >>> >>> Fran >>> >>> Axil said[snip][This kind of BEC is a Condensate that forms in >>> nonequilibrium driven-dissipative systems. The polariton needs to be pumped >>> with energy because it loses energy from the cavity that contains it. If >>> more energy feeds the polaritons than leaks out of the cavity in which the >>> polariton forms, it can live and grow in power. The amount of nuclear >>> energy that the polariton BEC can thermalize is a function of the power >>> that is feed into the Polariton BEC and the amount of power that the >>> Polariton BEC loses over a given time(AKA the Q factor).[/snip] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 05, 2018 3:22 PM >>> *To:* vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR >>> >>> >>> >>> hacking radiation >>> >>> >>> >>> should read >>> >>> >>> >>> Hawking radiation >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 2:44 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> The polariton BEC acts as a analog black hole. It thermalizes gamma via >>> hacking radiation which is a thermal level emmision. The heat produced by >>> hacking radiation is recovered as energy from the vacuum since the anti >>> photon falls back into the BEC. This BEC also produces light whose >>> frequency is a function of the density of the polariton condensate. It has >>> been said that Rossi's QX reactor produces light from red to blue based on >>> its power level. >>> >>> >>> >>> The final emission type is muon production. >>> >>> >>> >>> for more info, see >>> >>> >>> >>> https://tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/tel-00822148/file/Flayac-20 >>> 12CLF22262.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> 2.4 Sonic black holes and wormholes in spinor polariton condensates >>> (page 116) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Roarty, Francis X < >>> francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: >>> >>> Axil, would your scenario support effects on gas atoms between these >>> surfaces and Casimir/London forces? I like that it explains thermalizing >>> the gamma. >>> >>> >>> >>> Fran >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2018 11:42 PM >>> *To:* vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR >>> >>> >>> >>> Sometimes radiation is produced by the LENR reaction. Why does this >>> occur? >>> >>> >>> >>> It is my belief that the LENR process that thermalizes nuclear level >>> radiation is Bose Einstein Condensation (BEC). If a condition of BEC >>> circumscribes the LENR reaction, the BEC will absorb that nuclear level >>> radiation and downshift it into the thermal frequency range. >>> >>> >>> >>> But for a BEC to be created, doesn’t the temperature need to be at super >>> low temperatures near absolute zero? >>> >>> >>> >>> There are two kinds of BEC. The BEC that requires super low temperatures >>> involves atoms. The other kind of BEC is the polariton BEC. >>> >>> >>> >>> See for background see: >>> >>> >>> >>> https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/physics/staff/academic/szymans >>> ka/research/polaritonbec/ >>> >>> >>> >>> This kind of BEC is a Condensate that forms in nonequilibrium >>> driven-dissipative systems. The polariton needs to be pumped with energy >>> because it loses energy from the cavity that contains it. If more energy >>> feeds the polaritons than leaks out of the cavity in which the polariton >>> forms, it can live and grow in power. The amount of nuclear energy that the >>> polariton BEC can thermalize is a function of the power that is feed into >>> the Polariton BEC and the amount of power that the Polariton BEC loses over >>> a given time(AKA the Q factor). >>> >>> >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_factor >>> >>> >>> >>> What affects the Q factor of a polariton substrate? >>> >>> >>> >>> Polaritons are a form of light…actually a mixture of matter and light. >>> >>> >>> >>> Polaritons cannot exist unless they form on a substrate of a metal. The >>> Q factor is a character of the substrate; it is a function of how the >>> substrate lets light escape the surface of the metal. A rough and pitted >>> metal surface will produce a higher Q factor than a shiny smooth mirror >>> like metal surface because a rough metal surface reflects light less well >>> than a shining mirror like metal surface. In general, this Q factor of >>> surfaces applies to any type of wave based EMF including electrons. >>> Superconducting surfaces support the highest Q factor. Very little power >>> loss occurs from the surface of a superconductor. A polariton condensate >>> will retain it power for months when the polaritons are supported on the >>> surface of a superconductor. >>> >>> >>> >>> A collection of polaritons will form a Condensate when their density >>> reaches a critical value based on the quantum gas theory. The formation of >>> a polariton condensate has nothing to fo with temperature. >>> >>> >>> >>> https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.118.016602 >>> >>> >>> >>> This theory of polariton condensation boils down to these LENR design >>> rule associated with eliminating gamma radiation from the LENR reaction. >>> >>> >>> >>> For a non-fueled reactor. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you are using the surface of a metal to produce your polaritons, then >>> roughen up that surface to make it dull and pitted. This is what Mizuno >>> does to his metal surfaces. Mizumo processes his metal surfaces with an >>> electric arc until that surface is well pitted. >>> >>> >>> >>> You can increase the input power pumping of energy onto the surface of >>> the metal so that the extra power increases the number of polaritons >>> produced by the metal surface thereby causing a polariton condensate to >>> form. >>> >>> When Rossi had gamma radiation problems, he added a heater to his >>> reactor to make sure he stated up a HOT reactor. The thermal pumping to the >>> micro particles was increased by the heater so that on startup, the Rossi >>> E-Cat did not produce gamma from a cold reactor. >>> >>> >>> >>> If metal particles are used instead of a metal surface (as per >>> Piantelli), use a mix of very wide range of various particles sizes from >>> micro to nano sizes. >>> >>> >>> >>> For a fueled reactor. >>> >>> >>> >>> A fueled reactor uses a hydride fuel that contains ultra-dense >>> hydrogen(UDH) or ultra-dense lithium to support the LENR reaction. UDH is a >>> superconductor and the hydride fuel that supports it will support the LNER >>> reaction at any temperature and/or polariton pumping level due to the >>> extremely high Q of the surface of the UDH superconductor. >>> >>> >>> >>> The production of positrons in a LENR reactor. >>> >>> Without a polariton BEC to thermalize gamma radiation, the LENR reaction >>> will produce gamma as a result of positron production. >>> >>> The LENR reaction is a weak force reaction. When the LENR reaction adds >>> mass to the protons and neutrons, they will become excited and decay when >>> the LENR reaction adds energy/mass to the quarks inside these nucleons. >>> >>> As a decay process of these nucleons, both positive and negative muons >>> are produced as a decay product. The positive muons come from the decay of >>> anti-quarks in the nucleons. >>> >>> The decay of the positive muon will produce positrons as a decay product. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >
