Russ is correct, radiation is produced in polariton based systems that are
not pumped to a level in which polariton condenses form. Pumping level is
defined as the difference in which the energy is added to the polaritons
minus the energy that the energy is lost by the polaritons. A system that
has a low Q is likely to produce gamma radiation whereas a superconductor
based system needs very little input energy to thermalize gamma.

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 3:42 AM, Russ <russ.geo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry Bob but you are wrong, see the gammas on demand in cold fusion…
> https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5597-atom-ecology/
>
>
>
> *From:* bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 7, 2018 6:04 PM
>
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR
>
>
>
> Fran and Axil—
>
>
>
> I do not consider that actual gammas ever come into existence in the
> LENR/BEC reaction Axil suggests.  If they did ,some would get out and be
> observed.  The reaction occurs by an ultra-fast  phase-like transition of a
> coherent (entangled) system without the generation of particles or EM
> radiation with anything different than a black body spectrum associated
> with the reacted coherent system temperature.  The new system temperature
> is inconsistent with resonance conditions (including magnetic field
> strength) required to make a nuclear transition likely.
>
>
>
> Rossi’s dusty plasma reactor assures nano-particle coherent systems stay
> adequately cooled to avoid sintering (fusing) of the metal lattice with
> resulting undesirable changes in the resonant conditions and destruction of
> characteristics of repeatable nuclear/BEC transition reactions.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
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> *From:* Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 7, 2018 4:04:09 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR
>
>
>
> Axil, Your paragraph snipped below makes me question a relationship to
> Casimir effect, does your scenario exist even when the pumping of the
> cavity is just virtual particles? Is that enough to form a BEC and a basis
> for Casimir effect rejecting longer virtual particles in the cavity… the
> effect only occurs in conductive plates so the electron cloud and potential
> for polaritons is present. I’m wondering if “nonequilibrium driven
> disapative systems” is related to the vacuum density in these cavities. I
> assume it applies to both Rossi and Mills geometries but you are
> concentrating on the conversion and shielding aspect…. What synergy do you
> predict between this shielding/conversion aspect and the actual source of
> the gamma? Does your theory require gas atoms in the cavity or are you
> saying that just energy alone pumped into the cavity will suffice?
>
> Fran
>
> Axil said[snip][This kind of BEC is a Condensate that forms in
> nonequilibrium driven-dissipative systems. The polariton needs to be pumped
> with energy because it loses energy from the cavity that contains it. If
> more energy feeds the polaritons than leaks out of the cavity in which the
> polariton forms, it can live and grow in power. The amount of nuclear
> energy that the polariton BEC can thermalize is a function of the power
> that is feed into the Polariton BEC and the amount of power that the
> Polariton BEC loses over a given time(AKA the Q factor).[/snip]
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com <janap...@gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 05, 2018 3:22 PM
> *To:* vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR
>
>
>
>  hacking radiation
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> should read
>
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>
>  Hawking radiation
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> On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 2:44 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The polariton BEC acts as a analog black hole. It thermalizes gamma via
> hacking radiation which is a thermal level emmision. The heat produced by
> hacking radiation is recovered as energy from the vacuum since the anti
> photon falls back into the BEC. This BEC also produces light whose
> frequency is a function of the density of the polariton condensate. It has
> been said that Rossi's QX reactor produces light from red to blue based on
> its power level.
>
>
>
> The final emission type is muon production.
>
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>
> for more info, see
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>
> https://tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/tel-00822148/file/Flayac-2012CLF22262.pdf
>
>
>
> 2.4 Sonic black holes and wormholes in spinor polariton condensates  (page
> 116)
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Roarty, Francis X <
> francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote:
>
> Axil, would your scenario support effects on gas atoms between these
> surfaces and Casimir/London forces? I like that it explains thermalizing
> the gamma.
>
>
>
> Fran
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2018 11:42 PM
> *To:* vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR
>
>
>
> Sometimes radiation is produced by the LENR reaction. Why does this occur?
>
>
>
> It is my belief that the LENR process that thermalizes nuclear level
> radiation is Bose Einstein Condensation (BEC). If a condition of BEC
> circumscribes the LENR reaction, the BEC will absorb that nuclear level
> radiation and downshift it into the thermal frequency range.
>
>
>
> But for a BEC to be created, doesn’t the temperature need to be at super
> low temperatures near absolute zero?
>
>
>
> There are two kinds of BEC. The BEC that requires super low temperatures
> involves atoms. The other kind of BEC is the polariton BEC.
>
>
>
> See for background see:
>
>
>
> https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/physics/staff/academic/szymanska/research/
> polaritonbec/
>
>
>
> This kind of BEC is a Condensate that forms in nonequilibrium
> driven-dissipative systems. The polariton needs to be pumped with energy
> because it loses energy from the cavity that contains it. If more energy
> feeds the polaritons than leaks out of the cavity in which the polariton
> forms, it can live and grow in power. The amount of nuclear energy that the
> polariton BEC can thermalize is a function of the power that is feed into
> the Polariton BEC and the amount of power that the Polariton BEC loses over
> a given time(AKA the Q factor).
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_factor
>
>
>
> What affects the Q factor of a polariton substrate?
>
>
>
> Polaritons are a form of light…actually a mixture of matter and light.
>
>
>
> Polaritons cannot exist unless they form on a substrate of a metal. The Q
> factor is a character of the substrate; it is a function of how the
> substrate lets light escape the surface of the metal. A rough and pitted
> metal surface will produce a higher Q factor than a shiny smooth mirror
> like metal surface because a rough metal surface reflects light less well
> than a shining mirror like metal surface. In general, this Q factor of
> surfaces applies to any type of wave based EMF including electrons.
> Superconducting surfaces support the highest Q factor. Very little power
> loss occurs from the surface of a superconductor. A polariton condensate
> will retain it power for months when the polaritons are supported on the
> surface of a superconductor.
>
>
>
> A collection of polaritons will form a Condensate when their density
> reaches a critical value based on the quantum gas theory. The formation of
> a polariton condensate has nothing to fo with temperature.
>
>
>
> https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.118.016602
>
>
>
> This theory of polariton condensation boils down to these LENR design rule
> associated with eliminating gamma radiation from the LENR reaction.
>
>
>
> For a non-fueled reactor.
>
>
>
> If you are using the surface of a metal to produce your polaritons, then
> roughen up that surface to make it dull and pitted. This is what Mizuno
> does to his metal surfaces. Mizumo processes his metal surfaces with an
> electric arc until that surface is well pitted.
>
>
>
> You can increase the input power pumping of energy onto the surface of the
> metal so that the extra power increases the number of polaritons produced
> by the metal surface thereby causing a polariton condensate to form.
>
> When Rossi had gamma radiation problems, he added a heater to his reactor
> to make sure he stated up a HOT reactor. The thermal pumping to the micro
> particles was increased by the heater so that on startup, the Rossi E-Cat
> did not produce gamma from a cold reactor.
>
>
>
> If metal particles are used instead of a metal surface (as per Piantelli),
> use a mix of very wide range of various particles sizes from micro to nano
> sizes.
>
>
>
> For a fueled reactor.
>
>
>
> A fueled reactor uses a hydride fuel that contains ultra-dense
> hydrogen(UDH) or ultra-dense lithium to support the LENR reaction. UDH is a
> superconductor and the hydride fuel that supports it will support the LNER
> reaction at any temperature and/or polariton pumping level due to the
> extremely high Q of the surface of the UDH superconductor.
>
>
>
> The production of positrons in a LENR reactor.
>
> Without a polariton BEC to thermalize gamma radiation, the LENR reaction
> will produce gamma as a result of positron production.
>
> The LENR reaction is a weak force reaction. When the LENR reaction adds
> mass to the protons and neutrons, they will become excited and decay when
> the LENR reaction adds energy/mass to the quarks inside these nucleons.
>
> As a decay process of these nucleons, both positive and negative muons are
> produced as a decay product. The positive muons come from the decay of
> anti-quarks in the nucleons.
>
> The decay of the positive muon will produce positrons as a decay product.
>
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