FYI

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From: Brian Ahern
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:29 PM
To: c...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: CMNS: Input power is not noise!


>From Brian Ahern:


I have found D+D -> He-4 to be problematic. My own EPRI work, however found a 
repeatable excess with no radiation


LENR is real but not yet understood.


My year long experience with the device made by Arthur Manelas (deceased 2015) 
suggests that new magnetic interactions are in play.


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From: billcol...@iscmns.org <billcol...@iscmns.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:35 AM
To: c...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: CMNS: Input power is not noise!



Jed, I agree nobody said explicitly that only one reaction was occurring. In 
contrast, this is an implicit and overlooked assumption implied by the phrase 
"expected".  How many times must this be repeated?

If you have evidence of that D+D to He is occurring, why not tell us what it 
is, in a way that does not assume the very conclusion you want to make?  Do you 
have evidence of comensurate consumption of deuterium?  Do you have any theory 
which predicts d+d as opposed to d+p?  Can you explain how heat is trasmitted 
without radiatrions? For the reasons I have explained many times, the Q/He4 
ratio is not remotely persuasive as it is based on erroneous assumption of 1 
(overall) reaction.  If you would like to address these issues that would be 
constructive. :)

Bill

On 2018-06-26 08:35, Jed Rothwell wrote:

<billcol...@iscmns.org<mailto:billcol...@iscmns.org>> wrote:

No Jed, my point is that there are many different ways to produce helium (and 
heat) and therefore it is wrong, without further evidence, to assume that only 
one reaction is occurring.

Ed and I did not say that only one reaction is occurring. With other host 
metals there may be other products altogether. There is definitely tritium in 
some cases.

We said this particular reaction, D+D to He is occurring. I said the path may 
not be as simple as D+D, but those are starting inputs and final outputs. It 
might resemble the complex path of the Krebs cycle, with intermediate reactions 
along the way. However, in any chemical or nuclear reaction, the total energy 
release depends only on the starting and ending products.


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