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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: vtx: Magnet Generator Specifications
Date: November 10, 1995 5:26:59 AM AKST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Chris faxed me this odd document in Japanese. This is what it says,
with a few
comments in square brackets from me.
Magnet Generator Motor (used with scooter) [This sounds as odd in
Japanese as
it does in English]
Magnet generator motor specifications
Length: 176 mm Weight 7 kg
Input/output electric voltage: Input 50 VAC
Internal generation 48 VAC 8 Khz
External generation 100 V 30 A
[Yes, this sounds weird too]
Magnets: BHmax 120 MGOe two phase construction FeSbMn sintered magnet
Curie point: 700 deg C Magnet can be used at 450 deg C
Coil: 8 p [piece?] magnet 4 p X 2
Sciex Corporation
6-7-5-903 Aoyama
Minato-Ku
Tokyo 107
[Ritzy downtown address!]
Tel: 03-5466-2168 Fax: 03-5485-5994
[photo caption:]
Controller and magnet generator motor
------------------------
This document and the other statements from Takahashi give me the
strong sense
that they are deliberately evading the issue. They do not want to say
the
gadget is over unity. This may seem craven but I think it is a wise
policy. It
would be crazy to go around saying you have a perpetual motion
machine given
the politics of modern science and the patent office. You would incite
religious hysteria in most scientists. If Takahashi is in business to
make
money, he will dance around the issue until it no longer matters. On
the other
hand, I wish he would do a live demonstration of a self-sustaining o-
u motor,
if he really has one. A video does not cut the mustard. A video from
Toyota is
fine; Toyota, Pons and Fleischmann have credibility. Sciex does not.
They do
not have to say anything, they should just demonstrate it live and
let it
speak for itself. I wish I could have attended this motor-scooter
rally /
meeting in England. I'd like to have a word with these people, but I
doubt I
could get anywhere with them. I am sure they have thought about their
policies
carefully. I am afraid, however, that they decided to act like all
the other
funny motor inventors. They will keep it under wraps for the time
being.'
That means we will never, ever see it, & never get to the bottom of
it, &
Takahashi will eventually wander off & be forgotten like Mayer the
others who
make these exotic claims.
Sorry to sound so dour, but I am fed up with people like Takahashi.
If he can
do what he claims, then building a self sustaining machine would be a
trivial
problem. If he is going to show a video of such a machine, he might
as well
show the real thing. A video only invites suspicion that the
demonstration is
rigged. If CF cells put out electricity instead of heat, then they
could be
made to self sustain very easily. I would have run out of patience
with the CF
scientists years ago if they had held back from doing that. I have
not run out
of patience because I have not seen a single CF cell that could be
converted
into a self sustaining motor.
- Jed
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Kentucky Fried Chicken, funny motors.
Date: October 31, 1995 7:34:12 AM AKST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
To:Vortex
[snip]
A man called Takahashi is coming to London next week. He's bringing
a 'free
energy machine' which he claims to have spent several $m on
developing. It's
an electric motor/generator. He seems to have got some pretty
serious interest
in his gadget, which he claims will drive a modified electric scooter
at 70mph
on four small NiCd batteries. At a guess, that would need maybe
10hp, 7.5kW,
which at 48V is maybe 150A. Hmm. Now, he also is bringing a smaller
device,
which he says needs batteries to start it, but will then drive two car
headlamps indefinitely thereafter, *with the batteries detached*. Full
disclosure is promised, with a public announcement in Switzerland on
about 12
Nov, and a UK one on 20 or 21 Nov. They say I can go look-see on
Tuesday next,
and that I'll be allowed to poke all around it and see whatever I
want. The
scooter may or may not be available on that date, but I'll take my
crash-hat
anyway, I think.
My own feeling, after talking to T's London representative, is that
the man I
spoke to was defensive but confident. He said that T claims that the
device
loses the permanancy of its magnets at about 3% per year, and that
this is the
source of its energy. I laughed (politely) and the man agreed it was
rather
silly - I suppose it's the guy's let-out for energy conservation. I
do feel
that this could hardly be a mistake, so I'd be looking for reality or
the
obvious alternative.
What interests me here is that the various patents I've looked at
seem to show
the same (nonsensical) method for getting this performance. In each
case, they
do something like this example: A rotor is made with permanent
magnets all
facing outward, but on a 'snail cam' profile. So the gap to the stator
increases as the rotor spins, and then as the 'jump' on the rotor
passes a
coil, the coil 'pushes the rotor over the hump', then the rotor is
pushed
around by the widening gap. Well, that's the general idea. There
was a recent
paper (I don't have the reference, but I could find it) where there
was shown
evidence that a resonant circuit with an SCR in circuit could drive a
motor.
That paper didn't actually say that it was a free energy machine, but
in fact
that was the essence of what it said.
So, if I actually do go, and if it actually is there, and I can't
find the
catch, I'll be looking for how it works. There are so many claims
for motors
of this kind, and so many recently granted US patents for them - even
those
with direct unequivocal o-u claims in - but so far none have been
available for
study (haha). Comments, suggestions (except ones that I get my head
felt while
I'm in London - I know how batty this is) welcome. I intend taking a
couple of
digital voltmeters with me.
Fancy a trip to Lunnon, Scott....?
Chris
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: electromagnetism......
Date: July 21, 1996 5:13:17 AM AKDT
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Mike writes:
Takahashi was guarded in his conversation with Chris Tinsley over
the demonstration of the Sciex scooter, not claiming o/u, but when
Chris challenged him on the point, he grinned (Chris, do I have it
right?).
Well, he was claiming that the apparent o-u resulted from a gradual
loss of strength (5%/year, he said) of the magnets. Naturally I
laughed. He laughed back, we understood one another...
Yes, the video was hoax-or-real, precisely zero possibility of error I
would say.
Remember that a key Japanese strategic goal is market share, not
necessarily fame and glory.
In this case, Takahashi has made it perfectly clear that he specifically
wants the recognition of the science community. I also have seen that
some say he is not a big wheel in Sciex, but his business card says
'C E O'.
[snip]
Chris
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: electromagnetism......
Date: July 21, 1996 5:13:17 AM AKDT
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Mike writes:
Takahashi was guarded in his conversation with Chris Tinsley over
the demonstration of the Sciex scooter, not claiming o/u, but when
Chris challenged him on the point, he grinned (Chris, do I have it
right?).
Well, he was claiming that the apparent o-u resulted from a gradual
loss of strength (5%/year, he said) of the magnets. Naturally I
laughed. He laughed back, we understood one another...
Yes, the video was hoax-or-real, precisely zero possibility of error I
would say.
Remember that a key Japanese strategic goal is market share, not
necessarily fame and glory.
In this case, Takahashi has made it perfectly clear that he specifically
wants the recognition of the science community. I also have seen that
some say he is not a big wheel in Sciex, but his business card says
'C E O'.
Can I tack on here my astonishment at Rick Monteverde's little expt?
What's happening? I thought wings worked by pressure differential,
but now it's Van der Waals? Isn't that a zpf manifestation? Hasn't
anybody
ever done before what Rick has done?
Chris
Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Overunity application: Takahashi pa
Date: August 26, 1996 7:00:19 PM AKDT
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Mr Znidarsic,
The Sciex Motor Scooter built in England for Takahashi.
That isn't what Takahashi said. Or are the authors of this page also
able to
see what we poor mortals cannot?
This is the latest news we learned to know via Infinite Energy
magazine about the Takahashi magnetic wankelmotor, which is
installed inside a magnetic scooter bike, tested by Chris
Tinsley in London, UK.
I would prefer it if this ungrammatical statement were DELETED. My
ride on this
scooter was in no sense a test. Any hint or implication that I
concluded that
the device was over-unity is false.
Chris
Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: galtek
Date: November 4, 1996 7:39:39 AM AKST
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
In response to Jean Lagarde's query:
The situation is this, in brief. Galtek will mount the claimed O/U
motor or more
likely the motor/generator on a scooter -- they were influenced in this
direction by the Takahashi scooter depicted in Infinite Energy #5&6.
They think
they can do this by the end of 1996. Initially they were going to use
a dune
buggy.
This installation in the scooter they hope will provide a totally
definitive
test. I would agree. In the meantime, I am trying to get more
information on the
Galtek motor for an upcoming story in IE. I hope they will take my
advice and be
completely public about this motor -- its mode of operation and test
data.
My understanding from direct sources is that the Takahashi Scooter
only went 35
miles in a California test, which would make its performance
completley normal
and non-remarkable. However, it was stated by Takahashi that there
were some
problems with the electronics -- some diode problems, which were
indeed found by
the testers. I am not sure the testers are willing to devote more
time to this.
I will pass the word back to Dr. Takahashi that his allowing a public
showing of
his self-sustaining motor/generator last April (in video) puts him on
notice
that we expect to see either A. the real thing working or B.) a
disclaimer and
explanation for the video tape.
Gene Mallove
Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D.
Editor-in-Chief and Publisher
INFINITE ENERGY Magazine
Cold Fusion Technology
P.O. Box 2816
Concord, NH 03302-2816
Phone:603-228-4516
Fax: 603-224-5975
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Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Galtek's testing!
Date: November 6, 1996 11:25:59 AM AKST
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Gene Mallove said:
The situation is this, in brief. Galtek will mount the claimed O/U
motor or
more
likely the motor/generator on a scooter -- they were influenced in
this
direction by the Takahashi scooter depicted in Infinite Energy
#5&6. They think
they can do this by the end of 1996. Initially they were going to
use a dune
buggy.
Absolutely amazing! Reminds me of Newman using his o-u motor to saw
2x4's!
Why do you suppose they don't mount their motor on a dynamometer and
measure
both its output power and its input power?
Scott
Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Takahashi scooter
Date: November 18, 1997 2:30:33 AM AKST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Michael,
Sorry to hear of Takahashi's illness. The last conversation I had
with
Takahashi's UK representative Mr. Sawai back in Dec. 1995, he said that
they
were already building a manufacturing plant to make the
supermagnets. The
plant output was booked for at least 5 years. The initial market
applications were for putting the magnetic material in strips for
the back
of credit cards. I asked when they would put the supermagnets for ou
motors
and Mr. Sawai said it would not occur for at least several years. It
seemed
there was outside little interest for funding such a venture. <<
I've just had a very interesting talk with Mr Sawai about Takahashi.
First - he is well and has not been sick, and he is back in Japan.
Second - he apparently has been defrauding investors all over the place.
Third - his magnificent magnets have been tested by an independent
authority and found to be 48.3 NOT 140.
Fourth - Sawai has seen, but not measured, Takahashi's motor in Japan
and
confirms that it continues to run after switching off the battery.
He was
not allowed to examine it or measure any function.
The electric scooter was tested in San Francisco and its range on one
charge was 50Km.
Apparently the original tests on his magnets were falsified by the test
operator by reducing a critical dimension by 1mm.
Sawai is in contact with several 'inventors' all trying to build
Adams type
motors, most without any deep insight into the theory of magnetism
and end
up with laughable string and sealing-wax type structures.
I understand that one of Mr Sawai's Engineers is a subscriber to this
list,
and I am most grateful to Mr Sawai for his frankness and friendly
discussion.
Norman
Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Takahashi scooter
Date: November 18, 1997 7:24:44 AM AKST
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Norman wrote:
I've just had a very interesting talk with Mr Sawai about Takahashi.
Thanks for the update. Well it looks like Takahashi is out of the
race in
developing an over-unity motor.
Did Sawai know of Teruo Kawai's (5,436,518) 318% ou magnetic motor?
It has
been assigned to Nihon Riken Co., Japan. In this design there is no
need
for super magnets.
Michael
Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Takahashi scooter
Date: November 18, 1997 10:43:08 PM AKST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Hi Jed,
but reliable people who met with him a few years ago told me he was
suffering from a serious illness. He had a portable oxygen bottle and he
was pale and listless. <<
I felt that Sawai was genuine and somewhat apologetic for having to
relay
such adverse information, having been scammed himself by Takahashi.
Aparently there is more direct evidence of Tak's fraudulent
activities in
recent times since his return to Japan, involving Sawai in a commercial
context, so Tak is very much alive and kicking.
There may be related developments in the magnet design field by
others, but
as yet nothing like the intensity reported by Tak. although having much
improved temperature characteristics.
I get the impression that Tak has not done anything illegal, merely
collected cash for his development companies and then gone belly-up -
the
usual scam.
It certainly has a parallel with Meyer's modus operandi.
Regards, Norman
Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: in defense of Tinsley and Takahashi
Date: November 23, 1997 7:27:41 AM AKST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
To: Vortex
Jeff Fink writes:
I was at the cold fusion seminar in Boston in Feb 96 and heard
Chris
Tinsley's report on his test drive of the Takahashi scooter. As I
recall he said he drove it for half an hour at speeds up to 75
mph with
numerous jack rabbit starts and panic stops. He further said
that at
the conclusion of the ride that the brakes were hot and the
motor was
cold!
. . . From my experiance, the performance Mr. Tinsley reported
was far
beyond anything you could achieve with the single battery the
Sciex
scooter was apparently equipped with. . . .
Yes, that is what he concluded. The performance was intriguing and
inexplicable. However, he was not allowed to disassemble the machine or
subject it to intensive independed laboratory tests. Without such
tests you
cannot make any final judgement about the machine. That is what Chris
said all
alone. We talked about the scooter many times. I am sure that was his
conclusion. He never fully endorsed it or concluded that it must be
producing
anomalous energy. Since Takahashi refuses to demonstrate the scooter,
motors
or magnets to other people, and he refuses to allow independent
confirmation,
the performance of the machine will remain a mystery forever.
- Jed
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Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Alexander Frolov
Date: January 29, 2001 11:35:49 AM AKST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], vortex-l@eskimo.com
Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Our firm had one of the Takahashi scooters. I'm sorry to say we
found it
did not demonstrate the claimed performance. The President of his
company
in London concluded that Takahashi was a fraud. His so-called battery
doubler magnets, which Takahashi claimed to have made, were later
discovered
to have been manufactured by Sumitomo Special Metals.
Mark Goldes, CEO
Magnetic Power Inc.
Room Temperature Superconductors Inc.
------Original Message------
From: thomas malloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: January 29, 2001 8:11:41 AM GMT
Subject: Alexander Frolov
I met the Russian physicist Alexander Frolov through our mutual
interest in FE machines. His website at http://alexfrolov.narod.ru ,
contains some very interesting articles by Russian academics.
Alexander has several research projects that he would like to get
funded. The amounts he is asking for are so low by American standards
they make me laugh. He is an expert on data transmission systems, and
is open to job offers. He wants to know what happened to Takashai's
electrical moped, I told him that I got quite excited about the moped
when I first heard the story, however the effect that produced the
surplus energy was at best temporary. The last I heard about it, the
moped no longer ran itself, and was for sale, His email address is
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
