Bob,
I agree with you.
But then you have to look at the work of Krasnoholovet
(http://www.inerton.kiev.ua) . He tries to model mass with "ether"
physics that is much more fine grain.
J.W.
Am 12.11.19 um 17:42 schrieb bobcook39...@hotmail.com:
Jurg—
You noted the following:
“The rigid momenta (+,-spin) in all dimension do vanish but not their
action. If you e.g. squeeze a proton then the "strong force" decreases
what causes the centrifugal force to dominate and forces the proton to
expand again. Even more weird is adding magnetic flux. Adding on
stable new orbit in average decreases charge (because
space-time-volume decreases) - adding to a wave increases (internal)
charge.”
In this thread I suggested that magnetism may be 1 of several primal
dimensions that present themselves in a consistent manner when
combined with other primal dimensions of electric charge, time, and
angular momentum in specific volumes—quanta—of space, which is also a
primal dimension of knowable existence.
Following this conjecture, your (Jurg’s) magnetic flux is nothing more
than the addition of magnetic quanta to specific space quanta and
associated time quanta. (I would note that, if the time quanta happen
to be below 0, that may explain magnetic flux disappearance from known
existence. In this regard time less than 0 is equivalent to
unknowable existence.
I would add the idea that the dimensional space quanta I have in mind
may be orders of magnitude smaller than the space dimensions making up
a proton. I do not consider that the singularities suggested by
classical physics fits a conjecture of a quantum reality.
Bob Cook
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*From:* Jürg Wyttenbach <ju...@datamart.ch>
*Sent:* Monday, November 11, 2019 3:59:57 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Science discoveries how LENR works
Bob:
Does your understanding of the source of a magnetic field include a
lower limit on the magnitude of the field? You speak of resonant
fields being active in particle condensation—i.e., creation. Can
those resonances be infinitesimal or infinite in frequency? If not
why not?
Classically a EM wave is of infinite large size and dilutes to
"nothing". Nevertheless to detect it we need a system that obeys the
law(s) of a minimal action. But this does not answer the question
where the EM energy is going to? Without introducing an ether like
construct we will not find an answer. But this is the other end of the
story.
Coupling in my understanding is followed by an action and needs a
force between the actors. Any two 2D orthogonal magnetic lines can
symmetrically couple. The radius of such a faint interaction is close
to infinite. This could directly lead to the idea that magnetic lines
are the ether itself and only a curvature makes them visible.
Mass as we understand it is a stable EM field with a constant
curvature on a closed orbit. Only well defined amounts of mass are
stable as the relation between mass and and virtual charge in average
must be constant. I'm pretty sure that after some creative work we
will be able to derive all possible stable masses and also will be
able to describe the decay of unstable ones.
Unluckily SO(4) introduces a new hurdle due to the fact as we have a
4(6) dimensional single side surface that in a projection to our
classic mechanics needs a complex treating. To illustrate this: The
rigid momenta (+,-spin) in all dimension do vanish but not their
action. If you e.g. squeeze a proton then the "strong force" decreases
what causes the centrifugal force to dominate and forces the proton to
expand again. Even more weird is adding magnetic flux. Adding on
stable new orbit in average decreases charge (because
space-time-volume decreases) - adding to a wave increases (internal)
charge.
Standard tensor calculous will not work for a general EM-mass solution
in SO(4) as the action is circular. Quaternions works for a subclass
of the problems namely the Clifford torus based core flux. But the
connections to 6D needs more brain power added.
J.W.
Am 11.11.19 um 20:56 schrieb bobcook39...@hotmail.com
<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>:
Jurg—
Thanks for that lead to “Maple Physics:”
https://www.maplesoft.com/products/maple/features/physics.aspx
I am not sure that my review of the description of the extensive
calculation features of the Maple Software package—a free trial is
available at Amazon—i.e., a finite element calculation with up to 6
independent variables and very small finite elements is available in
the Maple package.
Does your understanding of the source of a magnetic field include a
lower limit on the magnitude of the field? You speak of resonant
fields being active in particle condensation—i.e., creation. Can
those resonances be infinitesimal or infinite in frequency? If not
why not?
My argument in this thread is that there likely is a lower limit
and/or an upper limit on frequency. This reflects my conclusion
about quantized dimensions.
Bob Cook
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*Sent:* Monday, November 11, 2019 4:10:43 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Science discoveries how LENR works
Bob
Unluckily only a few people used SO(4) so far mainly for simplifying
SM math with a more general notation. The same holds for quaternions
& octonions.
Maple has no specific SO(4) module although it is very powerful in
handling abstract physics.
The main problem all physicists will face is that the notion of
quantization will be defined more general as a fraction of a
wave/orbit length of e.g. 6 dimensions. The illusion everything is
based on h (plank quantum) was OK for the first beginners approach to
nuclear and particle physics but inside dense matter all exchange is
based on magnetic resonances. The SM claimed sea of photons (virtual
particles) of what ever nature, emerged from an other illusion that
physics is restricted to three real dimensions.
The true image of magnetic interaction is that it can be additive or
subtractive what is equivalent to compressing space (reducing covered
space time energy) or expanding space. For the old (primitive) SM
model this looks like emerging or disappearing (virtual and sometimes
real) particles.
Real particles are magnetic resonances that start a new joint
rotation whereas virtual particles just add mass to a magnetic orbit.
I would recommend to deeply investigate the Holmlid dense hydrogen
system as this experiment is currently the only one that is
reproducible and allows to add "any" mass to an existing magnetic
(D*/H*) orbit. from the physics point of view you can add as much
mass as the coupling (counter-) mass on the other "side" allows. If
the mass is over the threshold then the waves must restructure the
binding (virtual coupling charge changes) what in the proton case is
about the mass needed to form two Kaons minus proton mass. The
counter mass is already (almost) given by the latent excess mass of
e.g. 2 D*-D* (pre 4-He state).
All magnetic mass has an angular momentum as any magnetic field line
is equivalent to a circular current. Thus in your sense the neutrino
would be an other form of mass than EM mass, what is highly unlikely.
Unluckily I currently have no time to model particles albeit the
Holmlid case is very interesting. For somebody with access to the
detailed experimental data it would be a matter of 2-3 days to find
the resonant (H*/D*-clusters) SO(4) orbits for Holmlids kaon/pions/muons.
J.W.
Am 10.11.19 um 21:17 schrieb bobcook39...@hotmail.com
<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>:
Jurg—
Is there computer software that does SO(4)math to your knowledge?
If so, is it publicly available?
It would seem that what you describe as rotational mixing may
involve an angular momentum quanta to give a common direction to
adjacent 3D space quanta making up a cubic (or maybe spheroidal)
array of a small—quantum-- volume(s) of EMPTY space.
EMPTY space* may itself be quantized with a value of 0 or 1
depending on whether or not there are other space dimensions with an
associated time at 1 or above or minus 1 and lower. (Real space
quanta below 0 do not exist as an axiom.)
A more complex assemblage of real spheroidal space quanta around
a single spheroidal quanta may occur with changing time quanta
together with a single angular momentum quanta associated with the
central spheroidal space quanta and a magnetic and/or electric
quanta. (Note everything that is known can be described by a 5 or
maybe 6 dimensional system of time, Empty space*, real space,
magnetic field, electric field and angular momentum quanta.)
* Empty space may not be necessary to provide an adequate physical
description of reality.
Neutrinos may nicely fit into this physical system in that there
would be no magnetic or electric quanta associated with the angular
momentum quanta and the circulating space volume quanta considered
for electrons and other electrically charged primary “particles”.
Bob Cook
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Bob
*From: *Jürg Wyttenbach <mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>
*Sent: *Saturday, November 9, 2019 11:08 AM
*To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
*Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Science discoveries how LENR works
Bob,
SO(4) physics is a field only approach. Charge only occurs as a
virtual mass in interactions.
Fields do synchronize like rigid rotators. If the "orbits" are
"equivalent" then coupling occurs. But there are more criteria for a
coupling to occur as always a force must be at work that finally
"aligns" two rotating masses to form a new common rotation. Stable
orbits always involve at least two rotations, what e.g. the folks
around 1910 believed to be the orbiting electron around a proton.
Today we know that the magnetic mass of the electron couples ( 2
rotations) to the potential of the proton that is also formed by a
two rotation mass.
But unluckily this is not the full story as the electron does two
more half-rotations and also the proton has a three rotation
substructure and a 4 rotation core. Classic quantization is a good
approximation to a linear reality. But electrons and protons finally
interact in 4 mixed rotation dimensions and all orbits are coupled.
As coupling adds new rotating masses to more than one rotation it is
keen to believe that these connections are still simple natural
numbers. The problem is the mismatch between rotating dimensions and
Eigenvalues of the energy that always has a feedback to charge (in
fact the potential).
Axil: Polarized photons do the follow the same (1FC 2x2) orbits as
the mass in H*-H*. There is no such thing as LENR energy. It's all
about coupling orbits on 2x2 rotation dimensions.
J.W.
Am 09.11.19 um 17:59 schrieb bobcook39...@hotmail.com
<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>:
Axil—
Assuming a magnetic field is a dimension., like space, time
and angular momentum which occur in discrete quanta of their
respective known characteristics (seconds, meters, h/2pi angular
momentum, and B the magnetic field--quantized along with an
electric field at a quanta considerably below the average field
for the volume of an electron, ) then the relativistic electrons
with their momentum and intense local electric field could be in
fact be combining with the nearby magnetic quanta to form new
photons. These new photons are left in the empty 3D space to
gather as polariton condensates to conserve angular momentum
spin energy. The passing electron would necessarily slow down
to, loosing kinetic energy and linear momentum as well as some
angular momentum, both of which may be conserved in the reaction.
Planck was famous for speculating that the only real entities
may be fields—i.e., dimensional quanta known as fields to modern
physics.
To handle this existence of quantized dimensions conceptually
and accurately, science needs a new mathematics similar to
calculus that can be cut off at some small amount (but not
infinitesimal) to match real data from experiments. Uncertainty
could become an idea of a past time dimension in the minds of
humans and other real entities that might exist elsewhere in
space and time. Finite element analyses that super computers
can do may actually already provide the new math suggested
above. Even if they are not capable of handling the
calculations for actual quantum dimensions, they could suggest
what the real quantum dimensions are by extrapolations to real
data from real observations. (Quarks with their 1/3 electric
charges may really be electric field quanta confined to a small
volume of 3D space quanta.)
Bob Cook
*From:*Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> <mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, November 8, 2019 11:45:38 AM
*To:* vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
*Subject:* [Vo]:Science discoveries how LENR works
It was only a matter of time before science discovered the basic
process upon which LENR energy is generated. The few highly
capable LENR reactors produce Extreme ultraviolet radiation (EUV
or XUV) as their primary output energy product.
https://physicsworld.com/a/electrons-passing-over-nanophotonic-materials-could-create-synchrotron-like-light/
Electrons passing over nanophotonic materials could create
synchrotron-like light
https://physicsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Illustration-of-passive-light-emission-635x216.jpg
Electron flyby: illustration of how encounters between
relativistic electrons and vacuum fluctuations can generate
X-rays. (Courtesy: Nicholas Rivera et al/Nature Physics)
The interaction between electrons and a rough metal surface
produce high energy photons derived from the vacuum. These
photons come from the vacuum as mediated by polariton
condensation. This experiment could be a proof of principle for
the generation of Hawking radiation from polariton condensation.
In Hawking radiation, the polariton condensate produces low
energy infrared photons as a "positive energy" product having a
positive frequency, but high energy EUV photons as "negative
energy" having a negative frequency. As in this case, zero
vacuum energy is balanced when negative vacuum energy is created
to offset positive vacuum energy production, but that negative
vacuum energy is not permanently sequestered by gravity.
The high energy EUV photons produced in high powered LENR
reactors like Rossi's SK reactor, Mills SunCell, and the SAFIRE
project could be generated as negative vacuum energy photons.
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