It is fascinating to see that people do believe that a simple
approximate engineering method like QM should be used to explain our
reality!
QM only has a value in modelling chemical orbitals. All other use has
dramatically failed to deliver any useful explanation - e.g. for
particle physics. In fact the use of QM for modelling e.g. a proton is
fringe science as the whole math is not useful for describing a static
situation and completely misses the static magnetic flux/charge interaction.
The action of nature is not random. We simply do not have the means to
watch a proton in action and thus we deal with collectives that can be
treated by random functions. This is a subtle difference. We simply
cannot see behind the curtain and we only have a restricted knowledge of
nature.
Free will = power to act. You can tell anybody that you have a free
will. This makes no sense if you have no power to act on it. Thus for
most people the free will is restricted on (actions on) themselves.
Awareness is a brain function that enables you to predict what your
action will cause and may be to adjust it.
Randomness is also a weak argument. If you have the strange feeling you
would like to kick somebody in the ass, then even if you choose a
random victim on a sidewalk your choice is not fully random because your
location is not random. Also for the victim it' not a random act as he
will never get kicked in the ass again unless he enjoys it... So its a
unique event.
But as said already with the proton. We can only describe such single
events by a random function if these do have a statistics = do reoccur
more or less the same way.
Thus forget about QM and philosophy .. unless you like to live like an ant.
J.W.
Am 07.05.20 um 19:45 schrieb H LV:
Jones,
I agree with Conway`s argument that randomness is not the opposite of
determinism, but I find myself disagreeing with his assessment of
quantum mechanics which says if we have free will than so do electrons.
Free will is not free if it only exists to enhance survival. Certain
starting configurations of the game of life will survive and even
multiply while others will die out. Survival can happen without intent.
You say consciousness is an emergent property of free will. I would
say it is the other way around. Consciousness pervades everything,
but it is primitive which is different from higher levels of
consciousness or self-awareness.
Free will is a sign of self-awareness which emerges from consciousness.
Harry
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:49 PM Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net
<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote:
Harry
Did you notice that there is a kind of deep irony about "The Game
or Life" and the virus itself (any virus) on several levels,
including the life and death of Conway?
The virus, in general, like a cellular automaton in a computer
applet, is not "alive" in the normal sense but nevertheless can
function and evolve in the same way that complex life does - for
its own survival. There is no free will unless the choice can
enhance survival.
If chemistry alone can present the outward appearance of
discretion and intent - there is almost no doubt that AI will
evolve on its own to become "conscious." Consciousness is the
emergent property of free will.
H LV wrote:
> I have misunderstood John Conway. He actually makes a
distinction between randomness and quantum mechanics. He thinks
quantum mechanics is compatible with free choice as long as
particles have free choice as well .
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