Heterodyne intermodulation distortion in non-linear combiners.

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/4139053

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 11:44 AM H LV <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
> When two waves of different frequencies combine the result is a third wave
> with a beat frequency corresponding to the difference between the two
> original frequencies. A wave model  can show how this happens, but I don't
> see how it can bring about the addition of frequencies. Can someone model
> this additive process for me?
>
> Harry
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:56 PM Bob Higgins <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> The nonlinearity must be attached to the cathode itself because a THz
>> signal will not go through even 1 micron of electrolyte.  In the
>> Letts-Cravens-Hagelstein experiment, a tiny amount of gold was added to the
>> cathode to produce the nonlinearity.  Did it work because it formed a diode
>> junction?  Was the nonlinearity plasmon related?  That is presently unknown
>> - but it was produced directly on the cathode, which is the target.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 1:50 PM Sean Logan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds fascinating.  May I ask:  what are you using as your non-linear
>>> element, to cause the two laser beams to heterodyne?  Is it the target they
>>> shine on, itself?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 15:19 Bob Higgins <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sean,
>>>>
>>>> What you are describing is entirely possible.  Also, diode lasers can
>>>> be driven into modes that produce sidebands just at the threshold of
>>>> ordinary output - but it is hard to control the sidebands without an
>>>> expensive "loop" receiver and some kind of lock-in control.
>>>>
>>>> Using 2 lasers is pretty easy.  I am presently working on a dual laser
>>>> experiment with 2 tunable diode lasers combined optically onto a single
>>>> fiber. The wavelength separation (determines the beat frequency) is
>>>> continuously monitored in a high resolution fiber spectrometer.  We are
>>>> nearly ready to run experiments with this hardware.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 2:10 PM Sean Logan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Could you use an Optical Parametric Amplifier to create your desired
>>>>> sidebands?  Using one laser as the "signal input" and the other as the
>>>>> "pump" should give you an output containing sum and difference frequencies
>>>>> (sidebands, or heterodynes).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 12:29 H LV <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my estimation Rumford's theory is the seed of an alternate theory
>>>>>> of radiation.  It could still grow and blossom into a well
>>>>>> developed mathematical theory of heat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am interested in beat theory because it resonants (pun intended)
>>>>>> with Rumford`s theory of hot and cold radiation, since
>>>>>> both involve  _differences_. A beat frequency is given by the
>>>>>> difference of two frequencies and in Rumford`s theory two types of
>>>>>> differences are important.The first is that the relative difference in
>>>>>> temperature between two bodies determines which body is producing more 
>>>>>> hot
>>>>>> or more cold radiation. The second is that the sign and magnitude of the
>>>>>> difference between the received frequency and the oscillator's frequency
>>>>>> determines whether the radiation increases or decreases the energy of the
>>>>>> oscillator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 3:21 PM JonesBeene <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The beat frequency they were after  was in the THz range and this
>>>>>>> was  in order to fit Hagelstein’s theory of optical phonons –
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> … and yes - small gain was seen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, in the  earlier similar work without beat frequencies –
>>>>>>> single laser only - much higher gain (order of magnitude more) has been
>>>>>>> reported by Letts/Cravens.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The reproducibility was apparently better in the later experiments -
>>>>>>>  but I  do not think the lower  result with the beat frequency is 
>>>>>>> leading
>>>>>>> anywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From: *H LV <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beat frequencies of two lasers irradiating a surface appear in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _Stimulation of Optical Phonons in Deuterated Palladium_ by Dennis
>>>>>>> Letts and Peter Hagelstein
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LettsDstimulatio.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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