----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Zell

Where can we go beyond lithium? ... That's why the ultracap
approach is so exciting - it's a whole new way to fix the energy
storage problem.

Here is a "slant" on the bettery (better-battery technology) that you will likely hear nowhere else. That could be because:

1) it is wrong, or
2) there is a fair amount of intentional disinformation out there, or
3) both

Ultracapacitors will help - but are probably only "half" the long-term answer to the bettery (better battery) ... in that there is an underappreciated synergy between the capacitor and battery - the so-called bat-cap. This is more than semantics - and more than 'just' a combination of two different and distinct electrical parts. You have to merge the two in the design process itself to get the synergy.

The idea is that the cap layer (thin and planar) carries/stores the negative charge while the electrochemical ions of the battery carry/store the positive. The result is somewhere in between either device, but it does require an electrolyte, unlike the cap, and the best way that you can merge the two dissimilarities is to go with many thin flat layers using a solid electrolyte. Many people who have analyzed the EEStor patent missed this key point (mainly because the patent is artfully written to throw out a number of red herrings).

Everyone on the cutting edge of batteries these days seems to be throwing out false-leads ... why? for one thing - basically, all of the important patents expired years ago (or are about to expire now). Now we are down to improvements disguised as breakthroughs.

There is a good argument that lithium, as a charge carrier, is far
from ideal - even if it were cheap. And it is very expensive. Even
the present demand for small batteries for computers and
cell-phones has pushed the price of large capacity lithium way too
high for practical automobile transportation.

Plus lithium has a molecular weight of 7 and only one oxidation or
reduction state while carbon, which is a thousand times cheaper
(literally) as a commodity item, and has a molecular weight of
12 - less than double but triple the number of *usable* oxidation
or reduction states (all four are not usable). Less voltage
available per cell - but - all in all, for charge-retention per unit weight and cost, carbon is preferable to any other material, especially for the negative charge carrier (as an ultra-cap):
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2006/batteries-0208.html

In terms of cost/weight per stored charge - for the positive side, there is a good case of sodium. which is also low density, cheap, ubiquitous and - best of all ! - there is available a well-engineered (courtesy of FMC forty years ago) but largely ignored solid electrolyte - beta alumina:
http://scienceservice.si.edu/001023.htm

This concept of sodium used with a solid electrolyte is almost always mentioned in the context of NAS - or sodium sulfur, but I have wondered for a long time why this could not broadened and merged into the bat-cap category.

IOW the two positive face-surfaces of the thin (sandwiched planar) cap (the negative terminal) substitute for the sulfur of the NAS, drawing sodium ions physically through the solid electrolyte on charging. This might require some kind of bellows type expansion mechanism between the layers. If the negative charge carrier is a layer of activated carbon (as in the MIT patent) then in effect you have cut the cost and weight of the NAS in half. Before it was already in the same weight per charge category as lithium - at a tenth the cost but with one major drawback - which has kept it from use as a small battery (and out of mass production).

The problem remains that beta alumina needs to be "warm" (450 K) to conduct sodium ions, and even though this situation has been remedied by a few hundred degrees since Ford gave up on the project, there are practical solutions. (hint: you always have plenty of waste heat with a hybrid).

I got an inkling description of a prototype NAS battery setup yesterday that will blow the socks off of anything currently available for battery power, including lithium and hydrides. This WILL happen in the next few years, even in the face of budget cuts, but - sadly because of lack of cooperation and the free-market forces involved - that which is on the cutting edge today (in at least a dozen labs) can be easily improved on if they all were to share technology...

(this in the opinion of an outsider who would like to have some EEStor shares, regardless of the fact that they missed a few things).

Jones


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