----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity & Proton Repulsion of Electrons
Michel Jullian wrote.
I am not going to fight with you, as I said it is YOUR thought experiment
:)
One needs to avoid fights this close to the full moon. :-)
Ah, THAT's why the discussion was getting so animated ;)
Your points are worthy of serious thought, Michel.
However, one could "sample" the (arriving electrons?) by sequentially
switching in and charging capacitors, then measuring their potential, or
keeping a single capacitor grounded for about 0.3 seconds/meter of
vertical height.
Indeed this would be quite easy.
But supposing you were right on this point, would it hurt to also know
the
velocities and to have a quantitative measurement rather than a
qualitative
one?
If there is any qualitative indication that gravity repels electrons,
verification
would mandate the eperiments that you suggest.
In the interim, a meter or two of 4 inch PVC sewer pipe, a vaccum pump
capable of
less than 50 millitorr, and some home brew ingenuity. :-)
PVC may not be the best electrical conductor one could dream of :)
Thanks for the constructive feedback.
One never gets enough of this.
When I argue with myself, invariably I always end up agreeing with myself.
Same here :)
Michel
Fred
Michel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: Electrogravity & Proton Repulsion of Electrons
> It really doesn't matter what their velocities are, if enough for those
> that arrive and get trapped in the Faraday cup collector charge a 0.1
> picofarad
> capacitor enough to get a measurable voltage off it with a DVM.
> That should strongly suggest that gravity repels electrons.
>
> Fred
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Date: 4/14/2006 5:22:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: Electrogravity & Proton Repulsion of Electrons
>>
>> > If no such charge or current is detected, then gravity attracts
>> > electrons.
>>
>> No Fred I disagree with your conclusion, there could be no electron
> arriving
>> at 0.3s simply because they all had sufficient velocity to arrive
>> earlier.
>> Or there could be some, but gravity force is classically downwards and
> they
>> were about to fall back
>>
>> If you don't know the initial velocities you can't conclude, hence my
>> suggestion to use the "volunteers" whose initial velocity we know very
>> precisely (1/2*m*v0^2=h*nu-W) and can make as small as desired with a
>> retarding electrode (1/2*m*v0^2=h*nu-W-e*V), and whose flight time
>> will
>> depend on the direction of gravity.
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "vortex-l" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: Electrogravity & Proton Repulsion of Electrons
>>
>>
>> > Starting from scratch, Michel.
>> >
>> > Attractive forces acting on the electron at or near the earth's
>> > surface.
>> >
>> > 1, At the Bohr Radius 8.24e-8 newton
>> > 2, Attached to an H2O molecule 6.4e-11 newtons
>> > 3, The earth's fair weather field 2.0e-17 newtons
>> > 4, The earth's gravity field attractive 8.9e-30 newtons,
>> > 5, or could it be gravity repelled 8.9e-30 newtons?
>> >
>> > In the latter case, if it is released in an evacuated vertical
>> > tube the direction of force, 4, or 5, can be determined, provided
>> > the tube is virtually free of extraneous electrical fields.
>> >
>> > Shining a pulse of light on a Cs-CsO film on a silver-plated
>> > foil placed on the bottom of the tube and looking for
>> > arrival of the electrons about 0.3 seconds or so later
>> > (3.0 meters/sec or so) using a faraday cup tied to an electrometer
>> > capable of femto-coulomb or femto-ampere currents
>> > (and the LED or other Photon source) at the top.
>> >
>> > If no such charge or current is detected, then gravity attracts
>> > electrons.
>> >
>> > Fred
>
>
>
