Jones Beene wrote.                                                              
>
> I think it would indeed be helpful to document all of
> the possible theories of operation - even though,
> AFAIK there is no well-documented evidence that any of
> the many designs alternatives works in a robust way.
> However I have one video which looks trustworthy but
> it is NOT a traditional Joe_Cell.
>
Sniper.
>
> The video of the clear (plastic) cell,
> showing the massive effect of micro-bubbling due to
> the vacuum of the ICE is clearly the important visual
> documentation of what is going on. 
>
> Since real water-splitting sets in about 1.3 volts,
> the effective voltage must be kept below this value,
> but current must be available in the tens of kiloamps
> for even a small engine. Approximately half the output
> of the engine is recycled, so that with a Carnot eff.
> of about 25% the COP must be in the range of 8-10 for
> usefullness. This excess energy is supplied ultimately
> by ZPE - or rather by the failure of Casimir Pressure
> to keep the capacitor charges separated. When the
> beta-aether pressure is overwhelmed during the
> compression cycle then a capacitive breakdown occurs -
> an explosion follows, and net power is gained via ZPE.
>
> Obviously no current will flow under these conditions
> of around one+ volt - were it not for the remarkable
> ability of a piston engine to draw a powerful partial
> vacuum extremely fast, and create this micro-bubbling.
>
Do you need any current, really?
>
> At 3000 RPM, this is 25 times per second per cylinder
> in a 4-cycles ICE -so there is a 40 millisecond time
> frame to play with. The phase change under this vacuum
> condition allows for a 'virtual conductivity' effect -
> whereby that 1 volt potential becomes a very high
> effective voltage gradient when the normal water
> structure is reformed into the micro-bubbles.
>
I get 12.5 low pressure intakes/sec [3000/(4*60)] = 80 millisec per cylinder
>
> Were it not for the laws of thermodynamics, this might
> not seem so fanciful. The problem for the mainstream
> is that there is a net gain and the effect is
> non-conservative. As mentioned the gain is initiated
> when a fully charged one volt variable capacitor is
> compressed (has its plates moved closer). At a 10-1
> compression ratio, the equivalent of several hundred
> volts may arise in a transient state before breakdown.
>
Collapsing Microbubbles are Cavitation Bubbles.
>
> Alternatively the non-conservative energy gain ( COP
> of 8 or more), can be said to derive from a higher
> power law (jerk) during the capacitor breakdown phase.
> This would allow a squaring of the effective energy
> for a few milliseconds of time at TDC perhaps, after
> which the gas expansion reverts to normal
> acceleration.
>
> This can serve as a starting point for explaining the
> effect in only one of this type of cell. Obviously a
> true Joe Cell it is not - as the manifold cannot be
> blocked, the vacuum must come through the charged
> water, with massive bubbling, and the water lost must
> be replaced in an on-going fashion and there is no
> orgone or hocus pocus.
>
Right.
>
> However, in the only video which I saw where the
> effect was not clearly staged - this is what is
> happening. 
>
> It is definitely "no-Joe," but appears to be "real-go"
> based solely on the exploding-plasma-capacitor effect.
> However the participants might have access to clear
> spirits, some of which augments the effect.
>
Mechanically Induced Cavitation = Sonububbles. No?
>
> Now if will go fetch a big mug of the only Joe I want
> to deal with today.
>
Get all you need, by all means.  :-)

Fred
>
> Jones



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