On Thursday 11 May 2006 15:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 5/11/2006 10:43:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> [Lloyd Miller Sez:] Skinner was TOTALITARIAN SCUM! Totally opposed by his
> own explicit words to freedom and dignity. [Lloyd said]
>
> [Lloyd Miller Sez:] Bertrand Russell was environmentalist extremist,
> anti-industrialist. . . thought the British Empire could be preserved or
> replaced with World Government through his idiotic ideas. [Lloyd said]
> B.F. Skinner does debate the totalitarian idea in his Walden II book, where
> the creator of Walden II, named Frazier, was compared to a fascist
> totalitarian like Hitler, since he claimed that only a strong willed
> individual fascist leader could get such small socialistic communities
> started and keep them running. B.F. Skinner was the professor in Walden
> II who at first strongly opposed Walden II, and the totalitarian Frasier
> but in the end decided to leave the University for Walden II. B.F. Skinner
> is a genius of the best sort since he criticizes his own ideas, and even
> hints that he is aware of some of their faults. I got the impression from
> reading Walden II, that B.F. Skinner was not at all like the ruthless
> scientist that he is portrayed as publicly in many biographies about him,
> but rather a very kind hearted person who would rather live in a world
> where people care about each other.
>
> Without B.F. Skinner's Walden II book, there would be not formal
> theoretical and academically supported text book on such ideas as are
> presented in the book. I can quote a famous psychologist like B.F. Skinner
> to support new shared community ideas.
>
> I will have to read Russell's ideas on world government. I would hope they
> are much better than the United Nations. I developed world governmental
> ideas which are not centralized nor nationalized to protect only one
> majority preferred elite culture, but localized to protect each local
> minority culture and each individual world wide and to end needless
> nationalized wars.
>
> Much like B.F. Skinner, Bertrand Russell also was a revolutionary genius,
> who as a perfect example of Plato's Philosopher King should encourage a
> world government that would end needless nationalistic world wars, and yet
> protect each minority culture and each individual world wide form the mass
> majority culture which presently is a communistic third and criminal
> underworld world culture promoted by the United Nations.
>
> Best Regards,
>
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All of which is largely academic inasmuch as we are breeding ourselves into
an inevitable 'Easter Island Earth' scenario. Efforts to control our
population growth has all ended as dismal failures at the hands of religion,
failure of social safety nets or suspicion of the same, and 'tradition'.
People want security, and know that only their own families will more likely
provide them that! Governments who try to care for needy people eventually
breed 'economists' and/or 'efficiency experts', you supply the name, but the
end result is also the same. The nets become targets of unscrupulous
opportunists about as soon as they become effective; and are taken down like
in the United States and in Russia and now, it seems, China. On the other
extreme they are overwhelmed as in the case of India, a place that went from
four hundred millions who could barely feed themselves in the early 1950's
to over a billion in the present who still barely feed themselves. And would
not were it not for some discoveries in agriculture in the latter part of the
twentieth century.
Birth control would have alleviated China and India's problems. It was
seriousely tried and failed, just like it has always failed. People cheat on
these schemes using the 'shepherd's philosophy' where a few cheaters in
a system depending on honesty for fairness tend of become economic winners
simply because they are crooks. Hide the child. He/she grows up....result...
one more chance that family's older members will be better cared for in their
old age. Conversely....obey the law. Your few children leave or get
swallowed up by some war or other calamity and you are left on the mercy
of a state with a failed or soon to fail safety net and die in abject
poverty...or OF abject poverty. Like if you were black and lived in the
'lower ninth ward' of New Orleans after Katrina.
It matters little the politics that humanity use now. No 'ism' in the
world will save a population at cross purposes with themselves. There
are plenty 'cross purposes' to go around. Iranians have bred themselves
silly to be ready for a 'war with the west' that may never arrive. In their
case, no war would be a greater disaster than a war, as then that population
would have to be fed instead of being consumed in a meatgrinder that some
wars become. Many of the world's nations are population time bombs running
into Malthus head on. These will become dangerous as they become hungrier.
China will look first for water. Russia has this. Then for land for new
agriculture. Viet-Nam has this. Many other examples abound all over the
world. The Muslims think the west is their enemy. They think that all
'crusades' come from the 'west'. They are wrong. They forgot about
Hulagu Khan the avenging Nestorian Christian that almost wiped Islam from
the face of the planet. They look guardedly at the West and ignore the East.
When India grows desparate enough for energy, the road through Pakistan,
Baluchistan, lower Iran, Iraq, Syria, and the Saudi lands will be all to open
and irresistably inviting. With tens of millions of troops, what middle
eastern army would have a chance against them. It took India all of three
days to finish off a huge army in East Pakistan in the troubles before the
Bangladeshi revolution. .
The American president wants to guarantee this scenario as it is the only
way a petrochemical monopoly can continue to make windfall profits on the
misery of the rest of the world. The mechanism for this is to deny the world
the benefits of nuclear energy on the specious grounds of 'proliferation'.
That this policy of supporting a foreign monopoly with American lives is
a sure guarantee of a future debacle of bibical proportions never seems to
occur to short sighted cabal of soul-less bureaucrats and faceless financiers.
All know this as the visage of wars over
vital life resourses begin to stalk a dying world.
The future of human society, if we have a future, is in nuclear power or
fusion power and in space. For there is where we have to go if we are to
preserve our species. We are outgrowing our home and need to make and
find new ones. No politics, religions, or financial schemes can alter this
inexorable fact.
Pteranodon
