Dear Vortex,
As a new can you please let us know what NRG means?
Is it possible, Please, to define acronyms when they are first used in any given text?
On the topic of cold fusion:
Please let us all know if the following is correct... and if not, can someone please yield a precis?
(A) When aqueous cold fusion is studied hydrogen and oxygen are products of the electrolysis
Yes? No?
(B) The amount of H2 and O2 are not quantified... and in some cases are "recombined"
(C) How is this recombination accomplished....specifically, please.
(D) BIG question:
Suppose you have a given cold fusion aqueous set up.... and there is production of hydrogen and oxygen
Further, suppose you STORE and or Record the amount of H and O......
i] if one were to calculate the energy potential of combusting the O and H .. ENERGY....how much???
ii] combine O and H in fuel cell.... how much energy... how much loss in fuel cell?
(E) How much energy in O and H
ALONE from cold fusion, aqueous,..... the best example I can think of would be Mitchell Schwartz's nickle and light water and Li Carbonate system....
How much O, how much H ...and how much V and current used at what temp over what time??
(F) What is the total energy budget ...LEAVING HEAT OUT OF THE EQUATIONS AND CALCULATIONS IN TOTO ... if we examine energy, electrical in... and amount of H and O out ....
It appears a potentially important body of information has been left out of all of the discussion to date.
RECAP:
[1] Aqueous cold fusion
[2] M Schwartz, as example, light water, lithium carbonate, nickle electrodes
[3] how much current and voltage input, over time
[4] how much O and H generated
Apologies to M Schwartz if the name has been spelled wrong.
Herma
On 5/31/06, Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In a "perfect world"... well, let's say a "rational world" which
wants to give up a reliance on fossil fuels, and the eco-damage of
such, yet still desires to have affordable personal automobile
transportation (perhaps that goal is irrational in itself <g> )...
and assuming that LENR cannot become an affordable choice, due to
scale-up problems, inevitable electrode damage, too many
Randi-bots, the high cost for palladium, or whatever.
All of the grid electricity for this rational world is generated
by some combination of wind, solar, nuclear and hydro - no carbon.
This mix puts you in the predicament of having lots of
under-utilized night-time capacity, especially if we encourage
"rational" small scale nuclear (subcritical,
natural-uranium-fueled) which is a matter of making this goal a
national priority, as the technology is there.
The solution to that excess night-time capacity is that: in
addition to many vehicles being battery powered plug-ins - and
getting their charge at night (with or without the 'bettery') -
and this being the higher-priced option (batteries will always be
comparatively expensive) then there is still a cheaper option...
...especially for colder climates in the northern US and Canada...
which is this: At night you have a home heat-pump, which in
addition to heating the house, also produces liquid N2O at the
same time. IOW the energy used to make the N2O heats the house -
cogeneration. One of them is effectively free- either the home
heat or the transportation fuel. The low compression engine and
catalytic converter assures that little NOx is released.
This N2O is a low density fuel, so you need to produce a lot of
it, maybe 20 gallons for a 100 mile commute - but as you are
heating your house with the rejected-heat, which is used to make
it, then the "fuel" can be essentially free. BTW it is low energy
density, sure, but still much higher than compressed air or liquid
air, as it does have inherent chemical energy in addition to the
energy of expansion.
The big IF... is this: if N2O can be made reliably in a home-sized
reactor via the pressurized catalysis of air.
You need a 2-1 ratio of gases instead of the natural 4-1 ratio-
but air can be enriched magnetically due to the magnetic
properties of the O2 component.
No good reason why this wouldn't work... except ... for the
assumption of a "rational" world, and the needed billions for R&D,
now wasting away like oil-soaked sand in the middle East...
...what was that about a "rational world"?
Jones
