Walter writes: >I don't propose turning science over to magicians, much less priests.
Yet that is where we are at now. There is only one science that I know of. It is learning through experience and mistake. There is no other. When I wrote earlier of doing the Ohsawa carbon arc experiment, I did not say what results I got. I could, but what would be the point? _You_ must do the experiment. It is relatively easy, and perhaps there are still people here able to help. You seem to have been smart enough to pick up on the fact that electron spins can act collectively in some forms of carbon; there should be ample discussion of this issue in the archives. It is in my opinion an important issue. If you don't do the experiment, then you are left to believe the results of another. That person could be lying, they could be foolish and not understand what they are doing, they could be careless. The key word is belief. When you lack direct experience in something, and you have an opinion on the subject, then that is a belief. The Amazin' K.

