Hi Jones, > > My post was prompted by my interest in anecdotal evidence of the > > functioning of the Joe cell. There is a school of thought that > > it is 'merely' an ultra-efficient low voltage electrolysis cell > > .... However, such a theory is at odds with reports of the > > actual physical functioning of the cell. > > How so? > > ... please do not mention that 'red herring' of disinformation > which will not die, it seems... that being the cell that works > when it is sealed from the manifold. That statement has been
I thought that we were trying to keep an open mind <g>? Nonetheless, acceptance or otherwise of BPR does not preclude the suggestion that something other than electrolysis is at work here - assuming that we are accepting that any definition of electrolysis as currently understood includes disassociation and consequent 'use' of electrolyte. It has been widely reported that users running in 'shandy mode' (i.e. with cell output directly entering the engine's carb) frequently see little or no gas production within the cell and, more pertinently, do not notice the cell's water volume varying over a matter of weeks or months of use - whilst typically seeing a 25% increase in MPG performance terms. > If "orgone" exists, it is the most likely hydrino, which hydrides > immediately and will not pass through a seal in enough quantity to > power the ICE (most likely). I think if you want to approach this > with some modicum of scientific rationality, you must weed out the > disinformation. But of course, one man's weed is another's flower. At this stage - with no real science having been undertaken on these cells - I would consider it extremely rash to dismiss any reported phenomenon. Sure, it could be that certain 'facts' are simply bunk, but they could also provide insight into the underlying mechanics (e.g. the supposed cold running of BPR engines - electrostatic cooling? If so, this would point us in a specific direction for cell operation). I'm not proposing that we immediately accept a paradigm changing position, but that we certainly should leave the door slightly ajar. All that we can do is trust the data. Sadly, and coming full circle, it is the absence of anything other than anecdotal data which prompted me to start down this path in the first place. I remain hopeful that by testing a variety of theories intellectually - and then the more promising ones practically - that we will be able to advance our understanding. Patrick -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 01/06/2006
