----- Original Message ----- From: "Jed Rothwell"

In this design, do you envision some sort of wind turbine mounted above the deck, or only sails, to move the ship along?

No sails - and the drogue turbine plays only a small role. Mounted on deck is an improved "ladder-mill" (either fixed or rotary) which has the same capability as about 200 acres of land-stationed wind turbines. Here is the original Delft concept for a stationary laddermill:
http://www.lr.tudelft.nl/live/pagina.jsp?id=8d16d19a-e942-45aa-9b52-48deb9312e92&lang=en

Delft has worked out all the numbers. It has almost unbelievable capacity compared to turbines. This thing promises to be an order of magnitude more cost effective than present turbines, and cheaper than every other alternative - but it is more complicated, perhaps fragile, and needs active computer control. No technological breakthrough is required. The Dutch are very practical folks. The video is worth the time but only shows the stationary version. Turbines would be mounted on the wings of the stationary version. The rotary ladder-mill turns an axle for the prime output, but wings may be fitted with turbines as well.

I wish I had the finalized and improved ocean-going rotary version of that Delft concept firmed-up enough for a nice web-page presentation, with some drawings and animation - because any picture, in this case, is probably worth more than a thousand words. It is not an easy concept to put to words. The big (former) drawback, which I am trying to make into a "feature" is the storable-energy-output in the form of liquid air. Obviously there is no other way to use the idea than with storable energy output and making liquid hydrogen is too wasteful.

Here is a crude sketch of an airfoil wing attached to a flexible carbon fiber cable. In a rotating ladder-mill there would be dozens of these wings pulling 3-4 cables up which then turn axle-mounted machinery on the ground. The (computer controlled) wing would tilt into a "dive" for the backside descent. The path is not circular but an elongated oval flattened on one side. Too fragile.
http://www.ockels.nl/Images/Concepts/ladder_one_wing_advanced.JPG

Here are kite type airfoils - again not suitable for the ocean version.
http://www.ockels.nl/Images/Concepts/two%20halves.JPG

These older ladder-mill concepts are usually envisioned for land, using miles of cable. I envision a less flexible but tiltable version of about 300-400 meters in height, with a open-strutted mandrel, built like a radio-transmission tower - attached to the deck at one end (hinged) - the effect being not unlike the "blade" of a gigantic chainsaw - only open, and with steerable airfoils mounted on the chain so that torque is applied on both the lift side AND on the return side (forced dive). The torque for the rotary version is easy to calculate and is enormous, as each wing can lift about 200,000 pounds against gravity at only 30 knots. There would be 12-18 wings per ladder-mill. In the stationary version, 2-4 turbines are mounted on the back of each wing, but it is less cost effective than the rotary version. The catamaran hulls would be 100-120 meters in length with 40-60 meters between hulls; and with the ladder-mill hinge mounted fore deck - which hinged mandrel and wings can fold nearly flat, for allowing the return to the starting point with little drag when the drogue is raised. The wingspan of the dozen or so airfoils can be 60 meters, and the construction similar to but simpler, and with no sweep, compared to a 747 which has that wingspan ! Probably they can be of Rutan-type fiberglass construction.

The slight drift movement of the catamaran with the wind can be analogized to the flotilla being stationary with a slightly slower wind. IOW if the wind-speed is 30 knots and the drift speed is 2 knots then only 28 knots can be used from the wind. Constant daytime winds of this speed are the norm in the better locations on the West coast. The water turbine in the drogue-cone provides additional energy, but most is provided by the lift of the airfoils.

Much more torque is available using "lift" than from sails plus a water mounted turbine. And a traditional bladed turbine is only as efficient as its diameter, and that is limited by structural constraints, more so than are true wings. By far the best way to harness heavy wind is with the pure lift from a number of large-chorded airfoils, which are nearly identical to an airplane wing.

A design with only sails might be simpler. The ship would always go before the wind, which simplifies sailing. (And takes the fun out of it, too.) These would not be cloth sails, but rather large, rigid structures which could be retracted or feathered when the motor is used.

Yes there are a number of simpler options, including privately owned, robotically controlled ships which make a storable fuel (H2 or liquid air) for companies, or even individuals. If too many were allowed, ocean shipping would be impacted. Like many, the search is for lowest net cost for unsubsidized grid electricity.

The Europeans are ahead of us in the USA on advanced wind energy concepts, and although I "borrowed" from their work extensively in the present version, I believe this ocean-going ladder-mill concept is an improvement over anything out-there presently - but only IF a power-utility company can be convinced or enticed to add a liquid air expander to a present power plant, using waste heat for expansion ... and so forth.

It is altogether a very complicated situation, even politically, in application - and that may be its ultimate downfall - but hey... it is offered free to all - a re-Dutch treat, so to speak. It would even be ideal for a country like France - where instead of adding more nuclear capacity - they could use the existing waste heat from nuclear to expand liquid air - which has been manufactured offshore. Having been in Provence during the 'Mistral' that would be an enticing way to benefit from nature's wrath.

Jones


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