Actually I think the best approach would be to be open minded and forget about theory for now, and try and detect excess energy in a purely experimental way: if the ball is brought to a higher (even very slightly higher) elevation than starting elevation (is it BTW?), you should be able to loop the system: let the ball go back to starting point on it's own by rolling down a curved track with a very small slope, and see the ball pick up more speed at every turn round the loop. Even if you detect no speed increase, the mere fact of going round for ever in spite of parasitic energy losses (due to air drag etc..) would mean you're on to something.
Michel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Fw: Free energy in magnets? (was Re: Read it again) > Hi Terry, the question is whether any free energy is gained at each > iteration, whether ball process or paper clip process. I found the following > at http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=68526 , let me know if it > makes any sense to you: > -------- > Magnets, gravity, electric fields, stretched springs or rubber bands... any > two masses that are separated but affected by some force pulling them > together has potential energy. Release the two objects so they come together > and that potential energy converts to kinetic energy. When the two objects > slam into one another (assuming they don't bounce off) the kinetic energy is > converted to thermal energy in the form of noise and heat. Energy is always > conserved. > > Note also that the objects could also do an amount of work equal to the > potential energy that exists when they are separated. But once they do that > work, that's all the work they can do without being separated again, or > 'reset'. > -------- > The key is that what is supposed to be conserved is total energy (_all_ > potential energies plus kinetic energy). What would be a breakthrough would > be to violate this, but it would require to take into account not only the > potential energy wrt the gravitational force of the earth, but also the > potential energy of the magnet's force, and I see no trace of the latter in > your (JLN's) calculation. > > Michel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]: Fw: Free energy in magnets? (was Re: Read it again) > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michel Jullian >> >> Mmmm Terry I am not sure it is that different, doesn't it require work >> to bring >> the ball back to starting position, as it does for the paper clip? >> >> <><><><><> >> >> I think, if you do the math, it takes far more energy to remove the >> clip from the mag than it does to lift the ball against gravity. >> >> Terry >> >
