Hi Fred and Jones, You wrote: "The main practical advantage of the structural changes which are brought about by the long pretreatment process seems to be in a massive increase in the gas created during normal electrolysis. This occurs for a short time..."
Have you compared the energy expended in the pretreatment to that which can be retrieved from the excess gas? If they are equal some form of storage of electrolyzed gases (dissolved, nanobubbles?) could be at play. Michel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "vortex-l" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Field Induced Ionization & Ion Hydration of Water > I'll buy that, Jones. > > The slight lowering of pH could be due to dissolved CO2 and other > atmospheric acidic gases, NOx & SO2 etc. > > Fred > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jones Beene > To: [email protected] > Sent: 8/3/2006 9:29:33 AM > Subject: [Vo]: Field Induced Ionization & Ion Hydration of Water > > > Fred, > > Let me add a couple of things (at the end) to you fine analysis of the > overall situation, which you may not agree with, but everyone is looking at > this from a slightly different POV: > > 1, "Water tends to form small "NanoPolymers", x H2O -----> (H2O)x" > > 2, " The attraction for the proton of a molecule by a neighboring oxygen atom > in the (H2O)x nanopolymer causes some formation of OH- hydroxyl and > hydronium H3O+ ions > 2 H2O -----> H3O+ + OH- ". > > 3, "The Dipole Moments of the individual water molecules are additive in the > Polymers " > > 4, "Hydration of the ions forms nH2O.OH- and mH2O.H3O+ NanoClusters" > > Conclusion: > > The "Activation" step applies a field (at voltages well below electrolysis > levels) that aligns the nanopolymer dipoles and stimulates exothermic > "Pseudo-Autoionization" and Hydration of the water. > > [PLUS - an imposed kinetic movement of the water during a long pretreatment > process will accelerate the structural change of H2O into an active species] > > Hence the pH will remain at about 7.0 even when all of the water is > "activated" into a "colloidal gel" of Nanoclusters. > > [For whatever reason, I am seeing a slight acidity pH below 6] > > The Nanoclusters will "burn" explosively in a microwave oven or an ICE > releasing about 750 kJ/mole of ions formed. > > [The main practical advantage of the structural changes which are brought > about by the long pretreatment process seems to be in a massive increase in > the gas created during normal electrolysis. This occurs for a short time, > tapers-off, and then reverts to normal water, indicating that only between 5 > and 10 percent of the water has undergone the structural changes which > promote this effect.] > > The challenge for the future would be to create and ongoing process whereby > the active component is being continuously manufactured, separated and > electrolyzed, and the non-active water is returned in a closed circuit > fashion to an ongoing treatment process (mini-factory). Ultimately you would > want to condense water out of the exhaust so that less is needed to be > carried. > > Extrapolating from the results of a single cell, a small ICE with a > multi-plate electrolyzer (hydro-booster) - and preferably a biodiesel - the > ultimate process could involve as many as twenty or more sequential > pretreatment stages, each of which is an identical low voltage cell of around > two liters capacity each, and each of which is magnetically biased, and with > small pumps being used to re-circulate the water in a vortex fashion, staging > from cell to cell, then to the electrolyzer and then back again. The idea is > that the active component in enriched, sent to the electrolyzer continuously, > and once there it is gasified immediately at at a very high Faradaic > efficiency in the electrolyzer, and the 95% inactive remainder goes back to > repeat the process. > > Since the complex system would be drawing only a few watts per cell, > including the pumping, the total system is still capable of being massively > efficient, in terms of reducing the net consumption of fossil fuel. > > One downside is that it would be very bulky, and actually consume more water > than fossil fuel - and two tanks are required in addition to a mini-factory. > > The prospect of using *only* pretreated water (the JC claim) and zero fossil > fuel seems to be almost non-existent at this time, using this technique. > Whatever they are doing must involve something else. > > However, gasoline mileage could be as much as double using this, maybe even > more - compared with a 20-30% improvement using only regular water for > electrolysis (the present hydro-booster). > > The bottom line is that this appears to be a very worthwhile interim step - a > short term solution, until something better comes along which can eliminate > fossil fuel altogether. It is far from being as simple as first envisioned, > however. > > We can only hope that this "do nothing" Congress gets back from their 8-week > vacation soon and passes the H-prize ! My prediction is that you will see > many advances coming out of the wood-work if an adequate incentive is > provided. > > Jones
