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From: "OrionWorks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products aka: Why We Fight
<snip my previous comments>
"...solve the problem more elegantly and completely" The ultimate
solution? Hasn't that been tried before?
Practical answer to this: The Jews didn't do anything to deserve the
absolute evil that was committed against them. You have no idea how
horrifying I consider the Final Solution to have been. It was perhaps the
most abominable evil of recorded history. The problem is, it never really
stopped. There are still multitudes who hate Jews and who want to see them
destroyed and all killed. These are the people who have managed to take
command of "peaceful" nations like Lebanon and Syria! (Add in Iran as well
for their actions). So, now, if I were to say I wanted to exterminate all
the Nazis to protect an innocent people who they (the Nazis) were trying to
destroy utterly, would that seem "evil"? Oh, but maybe we should try to
understand why the Nazis hate Jews....maybe we can all talk about it. They
tried that and Europe nearly fell entirely under the veil of Hitler's Third
Reich. The talking and touchy-feely business nearly made the Axis
invincible. What solved the problem, and ultimately saved lives? Wholesale
destruction of the enemy on an almost unheard-of scale. You do not reason
with a ruthless enemy, you do not try to talk to them, you destroy them. You
make damn sure you are more ruthless and aggressive than they are and you
wipe them out utterly.
I doubt such efforts will create many converts.
So what?
There is a perverse kind of honor in stabbing someone in the front, as
compared to the back.
Hmmm...
I gather you don't want to understand the enemy. You want to destroy them.
Well, I would agree with you on one point, that such an attitude is, in
your own >words "...very simple: us or them." When any group, society, or
nation manages to distill complicated issues, such as who rightfully owns
a disputed patch of land, >there's no stopping the kind of carnage that
will unfold, especially when both sides can prop up their sense of outrage
with some religious justification.
By that logic, we can never solve a problem because it is always going to
end up too complicated to solve. This kind of logic applied to the real
world will get you no where. There is always an answer, let us just hope the
right answer is the one applied. Religious justification? I haven't used
that, I used mere practicality.
You mentioned previously that you happen to believe that "...we are right,
and they are wrong, and that that is that." How brave is it to proclaim
one's >righteousness when it would appear that it's our side that is
holding most of the ammo?
We may hold most of the ammunition, but they are clearly able to use what
limited things they have very well, because we are apparently afraid to use
ours to the fullest extent. If someone is running up to you intent to stab
you with a sharpened stick, and you are pointing a machine gun at them, who
is more heavily armed? But what if the gun-holder does not fire either out
of fear or thinking that he should try to reason with the stick-holder? The
gun-holder may very well either be gravely injured or killed. Who's right
and who's wrong? In the real world there is always a cold, hard answer,
somewhere.
He who is "right" is simply the individual who has more guns and ammo.
Wrong. See my above comments, re: Nazis.
If that's the case we had better wipe out every single "enemy" from the
face of the planet, and while we're at it we'd better not concern
ourselves with all the >collateral damage, all the innocent men, women,
and children caught in harms way. Cuz, if we fail to wipe out all the
"enemy" (along with a few here and there >we're not too sure about) from
the face of the planet we'll just end up pissing them off even more.
If the innocent truly far outnumber the guilty, then they can kill the
guilty by weight of numbers. If the guilty use weapons of mass destruction
(I hate this term now, thanks to the talking heads on CNN) on the presumed
innocent bystanders, all the more reason to begin gutting the whole place.
As to innocents being killed, that is war. This mentality will lose wars.
How about the innocent bystanders in the World Trade Center? Oh, but that
was only a few thousand, so many more are killed in car crashes every
day.... then why do we care about how many are killed in Lebanon by Israeli
bombings? This number is far outnumbered by those killed in car wrecks....
The hypocrisy is staggering!
One can't educate those who don't want it. One hopes to better educate the
majority - the rest of the population who are willing to better
themselves, those who >would prefer to live in more peaceful circumstances
where they can go to work and raise their children. Hopefully, it will be
the better educated majority who will >be able to ameliorate the rest who
don't wish to be educated.
It hasn't happened so far in Iran has it? They were supposedly becoming so
much more secularized and "high minded". Remember the reports about students
questioning their leadership? What happened to this "movement"? I don't see
the peaceful methods working.
Regarding your postscript, I would agree that the rules are likely to
change when we can finally kick ourselves off our current addiction to
oil. Let's hope that is
sooner rather than later.
Agreed.
Nice sparring with you.
Agreed as well.
--Kyle
