Jed Rothwell wrote:

I do not rely on the Pimentel paper alone. Their data is well documented by others. Any textbook on biology, agronomy or agriculture shows this to be the case.
Every agricultural expert quoted in the news has repeated similar numbers. For example, see the October 2006 "Consumer Reports" cover story, "The Ethanol Myth."

Ah... Consumer Reports ... this is your new authority for scientific information?

What about the USDA and DOE ? They have done slightly more thorough studies than CR, and found positive energy balances for corn ethanol (around 1.37) and soy biodiesel (3.2) or do those expert opinions not count?

But the problem is that those studies are themselves short sighted. FORGET corn ethanol, which is what Pimentel has based much of his erroneous bunk on. FORGET all food crops. Look at Ag-waste, modified ocean algae, tank grown algae and biomass grown on land unsuitable for food crops. FORGET distillation - this ancient history (almost) unless it employs waste heat from cogeneration. When you see a 1 Gigawatt plant belching out 2 wasted gigawatts of heat - look at that as taking the present positive energy balance for ethanol from 1.37 (even using corn) to well over three. Be ware that gasoline itself is a distilled product with a lower energy balance compared to the tonnage of crude used.

FORGET almost everything over 4-5 years old in biofuel technology - it is a new world dawning- as nowadays, the responsible solution for eliminating some portion of foreign oil is home-grown biofuel made from non-food sources, and requiring no distillation (or using waste hear from cogeneration). Sure it is new, but educate yourself or be resigned to the fact that others will place those views in with what Bob Park pronounces about LENR !

Biodiesel requires ZERO distillation. The so-called "experts" must not even be aware of that fact when making false pronouncement about negative energy balance. The last decade in biofuels has seen emphasis shift to cellulose, away from food crops, and towards nondistillation methods. It takes time for this information to filter down to the local level. We aren't there yet, far from it - but it is counter-productive to quote misinformed zealots like Pimentel, who is clearly more obstinate than Bob Park, when it comes to looking at cutting edge R&D with an open mind. Almost every conclusion of the outdated Pimentel studies has now been negated and debunked. Otherwise you would not see the millions of new investment going into ethanol.

Yes - of course few farmers in Georgia are doing this now (growing their own), but a quick search indicates that Georgia Power is getting into the act:
http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/users/stories/georgiapower.shtm
and one suspects that sooner or later, as 'red diesel' gets more expensive, even small farmers in rural America will see that there are viable options for them to "grow their own" rather than pay it out to big-oil and OPEC.

Jones

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