Now that just doesn't fit with popular opinion, it must not be true!  I mean
there is that Al Gore movie and that Discovery Channel program...  [heavy
sarcasm]

Does anyone else here find humor in that we question and challenge just
about every established theory in science an physics on this list yet global
warming is somehow untouchable?

Even if from just a devil's advocate standpoint, I appreciate the post.

-john


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Hi All,

I thought you might be interested in the below article
from Science News.  Global warming is real, but it may be
cyclical beyond our control, especially now that methane
is being released from the melting tundra -- probably a
deviation amplifying process.

Maybe we should be grateful for anything that puts greenhouse
gas into the atmosphere because we may be entering the cooling
phase of the Milankovitch cycle.

Jack Smith

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Science News, Vol. 170, No. 16, Oct. 14, 2006, p. 253.
by Sid Perkins

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20061014/note11.asp

``Ancient hot spell is linked to copious carbon dioxide

The presence of a particular mineral in ancient rock
suggests that during an extended warm period in Earth's
past, the atmosphere held at least triple the concentration
of carbon dioxide that it does today, a new analysis shows.

Between 52 million and 50 million years ago, Earth's
climate was the warmest it had been since the dinosaurs
died out 65 million years ago. The temperature of the
deepest water in the oceans, an indication of global
climate, was at least 10°C higher than it is today.

Some rocks derived from Colorado lake sediments of
that era contain large amounts of nahcolite, a natural
form of baking soda.  Lab tests indicate that nahcolite
would precipitate out of salty, alkaline lakes only if
atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide were above
1,125 parts per million (ppm), Tim K. Lowenstein and
Robert V. Demicco of the State University of New York
at Binghamton report in the Sept. 29 Science. Today,
concentrations of that greenhouse gas measure about 380
ppm, Lowenstein notes.

The climate around the ancient lake where these minerals
formed was probably similar to that at the Dead Sea today,
says Lowenstein. There, air temperatures average 24°C and
surface-water temperatures range from 21°C to 36°C. ''

References:

Lowenstein, T.K., and R.V. Demicco. 2006. Elevated eocene
atmospheric CO2 and its subsequent decline. Science
313(Sept.  29):1928.

Abstract available at
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/313/5795/1928.

Sources:

Tim K. Lowenstein

Department of Geological Sciences and Environmental Studies

State University of New York, Binghamton

Binghamton, NY 13902

>From Science News, Vol. 170, No. 16, Oct. 14, 2006, p. 253.

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Science 29 September 2006:

Vol. 313. no. 5795, p.  1928 DOI: 10.1126/science.1129555

Abstract

``Elevated Eocene Atmospheric CO2 and Its Subsequent Decline

by Tim K. Lowenstein* and Robert V. Demicco

Quantification of the atmospheric concentration of CO2
([CO2]atm) during warm periods of Earth's history is
important because burning of fossil fuels may produce
future [CO2]atm approaching 1000 parts per million by
volume (ppm).

The early Eocene (~56 to 49 million years ago) had the
highest prolonged global temperatures of the past 65
million years. High Eocene [CO2]atm is established from
sodium carbonate minerals formed in saline lakes and
preserved in the Green River Formation, western United
States.

Coprecipitation of nahcolite (NaHCO3) and halite (NaCl)
from surface waters in contact with the atmosphere
indicates [CO2]atm > 1125 ppm (four times preindustrial
concentrations), which confirms that high [CO2]atm
coincided with Eocene warmth. ''

Department of Geological Sciences and Environmental
Studies, State University of New York at Binghamton,
Binghamton, NY 13902, USA.

* To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail:
lowenst{at}binghamton.edu


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