----- Original Message ---- From: Robin van Spaandonk In reply to Mark Goldes' message
>More recent work in thermionics by others, such as Borealis Power, may have >superseded his work. The Borealis work depends on a temperature differential. No violation of 2LoT involved. This may be a bit of a logical error (either/or). There are certainly situations imaginable but unproven where both could be present - and Borealis is one of them - i.e there could be both a temperature differential and problems with the laws of physics and blackbody radiation - with the former obscuring the later. Personally, as to Borealis itself and because of anecdotal inconsistencies (and even claims of fraud) in their past claims from people who have visited; and continuous delays without a prototype - there is little certainty that what they have claimed is real at all; but if it is real, it certainly is outside the laws of physics even though a small heat differential is being utilized. In the words of a potential investor four years ago: "I understand speculation, which is fine, but this is bordering on fraud. Did you read the annual report? What caught my attention was the line that net income in the year 2007 should, according to business plans, be in the neighborhood of well, $16 billion! It’s right there on page 7: $4 billion from the Chorus motor and another $12 billion from the Cool Chips. For those of you keeping score at home that means this little company should be the most profitable company on the planet in 5 SHORT YEARS. With no current revenues! This would be the world's biggest success story. Be real! The fact that they would print that in an annual report – it's just not right to make such outlandish statements. It ruins their credibility. Are you comfortable with the board being compromised primarily of family members? Seven of the 12 directors are named Cox. This Borealis is one whopper of a story." Means nothing of course, except hyperbole - as they have now withdrawn that foolish information - and if they can deliver eventually, then they might escape SEC sanctions - but as to the physics of this.... I was planning to try to delve into Ron Stiffler's comment about the "dimensional" aspects of heat - as there seems to be something to it - especially when one looks at adiabatic anomalies; but he apparently signed-off of vortex last week and it is not clear what angle he was looking at. At nano-dimensions, it is possible that ZPE in the guise of a Casimir-like force can serve accentuate heat transfer at the QM level. Maybe that is what Borealis has seen - of it is not a scam. In which case, one might expect to find both a temperature differential and a problem with the laws of thermodynamics - with the former obscuring the later. Jones
