A force field, an energy field ...  a field of dreams.

(Don't forget to dream.)

Harry



Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:

> 
> 
> Michel Jullian wrote:
>> Paul, Paul, Paul you missed my point again, never mind :)
>> 
>> To go back to your pet theory, since as you said the formulae for
>> field energy and potential energy are the same, there are in fact at
>> least three equivalent ways to describe the same thing: field energy,
>> or potential energy, or work done by the forces.
> 
> A minor nit to pick:  Potential and field energy may be interchangeable
> for electric fields, but apparently not for magnetic fields. Permanent
> magnetic dipoles have potential energy = -mu.B which is not tracked by
> the total field energy. Case in point:  If the field of one dipole has
> energy E, then the fields of two widely separated dipoles have total
> energy 2E.  Let them pull themselves together until they touch end to
> end -- the potential energy drops, but the total field energy increases,
> to about 4E, as the two fields overlap almost exactly. (The energy
> density goes as field intensity squared, so halving the volume while
> doubling the intensity yields a net energy increase of 2x).
> 
> So if we include permanent magnets in the picture, it's going to be
> awkward to replace PE with field energy everywhere.  I think this may be
> what led Paul to assert that nobody knows where the energy comes from in
> this case.


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