Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:06 PM > Subject: [Vo]: Re: Lifters > > >> They work fine in a grounded metal cage in my experience. In the >> experiments you describe it may be more a question of the LDPE stopping >> the wind? > > It depends on how far the cage is from the lifter electrodes. With no > dielectric shield, you can sometimes still get a significant thrust, as the > cage allows air to be blown nearly effortlessly out of the cage, moving the > whole contraption. The cage was mainly put around the LDPE shield to > eliminate (or at least strongly reduce) field interactions with nearby > objects and air exterior to the dielectric shield. > >>> 7. It is not just ion wind, >> >> Balderdash :) It's as much ion wind as helicopters are propeller generated >> wind. > > Depends on what you call ion wind. If by ion wind, you mean electric wind, > corona wind, etc., such as is emitted from a point or knife-edge electrode, > then it is not just ion wind. If by ion wind you mean any wind generated by > the presence of the charge itself, electric field and shape thereof, etc., > then yes, I agree, just ion wind. > > They can be made to work in oil, by sucking and pushing the oil past the > electrodes. But again this is not reactionless/antigravity/what have you, > its a simple toy that needs a dielectric medium to work in. In space, this > thing is a real loser.
I notice you said "they can be MADE TO WORK by sucking and pushing" Evidently they only work in the oil medium if another force exists to suck and push the oil force. Now if such extra force is required when the apparatus is in an oil medium, does it not stand to reason that an extra force (albeit much smaller in magnitude) is needed for the apparatus to work in air? Harry
