No one is claiming there were suicide pilots on the planes? How deep does this fantasy go? Remote control? Robots? My point about government competence still stands and is confirmed everyday with the continuing failure to pacify Iraq. It's far more than 'Bush is a twit'. And the intelligence community is somehow above and beyond this level of ineptitude? You mean like WMD's in Iraq? or decades of mole-ridden ineffectiveness in the cold war? Soviet missile estimates? "Success" in Vietnam? Predictions that Cuba will collapse? Completely in the dark about Manhattan Project spies? Surprize by Sputnik? Surprize by Soviet nuclear success? Surprize by the fall of the Iron Curtain? Plots to discreetly kill Hugo Chavez instead of letting him return after a coup? Anything you wish to explain by competence - which is demanded in an extreme degree by a multi faceted and highly complex conspiracy - can be more easily explained by an inept government led by naive hacks -- and examined by paranoids who see God-like ability in those they despise. Can I also tell you how wildly ignorant Bill Clinton was? How reports surfaced that he made huge promises about healthcare and the budget without the simplest knowledge that the government was subject to bond traders and couldn't afford his plans? that he got upset with his aides when they told him this after he became president? Can I go on about other Presidents? How LBJ exposed his genitals to journalists to make a point? How frighteningly naive Carter was ( and is!) How the press quietly agreed not to talk about Reagan's Alzheimers? It's all a mess, not a conspiracy.
________________________________ From: John Berry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: No Thermite ? That's my point exactly. What I am saying has solid evidence to back it up, and you counter with 'Bush is a twit'. Which while obviously true, no one is claiming he did any of the technical stuff, members of the intelligence community did that. Further no one is claiming there were suicide pilots on the planes, of any race, you just show how little you've looked into it to say something like that. It's only a theory if there isn't absolute proof. On 2/22/07, Zell, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Perhaps the answer lies in the Monty Python sketch in which a building is maintained by hypnosis. The problem with conspiracies is the obvious contradiction with real world government competence. Take a good look at Iraq or the intellectual depth of Bush and reason accordingly. I don't see any reason why conspirators should haul Sacks of thermite and ignite them in synchrony with ( extremely reliable) suicide bombers - when explosives would do a better job. More than that, I doubt the WTC buildings were as well built as the Empire State building - when it survived A collision with a WWII vintage bomber.

