Of course, what would be the difference? Would a paddle boat pushing against 
the quay (i.e. acting as a pump, pumping water backwards) work any differently 
than when it's on the move? It's still paddles, or whatever, pushing a medium 
backwards in order for the craft to go forwards if nothing prevents it (the 
quay for the paddle boat, excessive weight in the case of the Leonardo copter)

Michel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Lifters


> Michel Jullian wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Indeed. It would be like insisting that a helicopter doesn't work by pushing
>> itself against the air, it just doesn't make sense scientifically. But I 
>> guess
>> it does make sense economically for the people who make a living on promoting
>> the more mysterious hypotheses :)
>> 
> 
> 
> The design in the attachment is suppose to fly by pushing the air. Well
> it will certainly push air but it won't fly. However, it can be made to work
> as a pump.
> 
> But suppose it did fly...would knowing how it works as pump be sufficient
> to explain how it flies?
> 
> 
> Harry
> 
>

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