Not pressing you for an answer but I don't follow your reasoning Ed. I would think early superconductivity researchers answered "10°K" right away when asked about their transition temperature. If they had been evasive, I doubt further research would have been financed. Or what am I missing?
Michel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer > CF is not at the "What's the good" stage yet I am afraid. What was the COP > then? > > Michel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer > > > ... >>> What was the magnitude of your last heat production BTW, in terms of COP? >> >> These are the wrong questions to ask. This is like asking about >> superconductivity 20 years ago and rejecting the answer when the >> transition temperature is quoted as being only 10°K. What's the good of >> such a low temperature you would ask. After many millions of dollars and >> thousands of man hours, superconductivity is a practical technology. No >> one at the time believed the transition temperature could be increased >> to near room temperature. Yet people kept working and are now gradually >> succeeding. Cold fusion is real. When the conditions are understood, the >> effect will be huge and will work every time. Or you can believe the >> effect is pure nonsense and never make an effort to improve the results. >> The people who succeed will be very wealthy and the people who reject >> the idea will look like fools. Your choice. >> >> Regards, >> Ed >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer >>> >>> >>> >>>>My last successful heat production was about 6 months ago. At the >>>>present time, the effect is initiated by chance when the required >>>>conditions happen to be in place. We do not yet know how to create the >>>>conditions on purpose. However, I can tell you a lot of conditions that >>>>don't work, conditions worth avoiding. Also, some conditions are more >>>>likely to work than others, but not every time. This problem is not >>>>caused by error or by cold fusion not being real. It is caused solely by >>>>ignorance. People who have the financial support to run many studies are >>>>having increased success, but still not every time. Like all complex >>>>phenomenon, parameter space is huge and success only happens after a >>>>considerable investment of time and money. This investment has not been >>>>applied, thanks to the skeptics. >>>> >>>>Ed >>>> >>>>Michel Jullian wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Paul probably meant "in your experience", could you e.g. relate when you >>>>>last witnessed the effect personally Ed? >>>>> >>>>>Michel >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>>>>Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:57 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>In answer to your question, cold fusion is real. In fact it is more >>>>>>real than is the uninformed opinion of Michael Shermer. By this I mean, >>>>>>cold fusion is a phenomenon of nature that has been witnessed now by >>>>>>hundreds of people. Obviously, Michael Shermer has not taken the >>>>>>responsibility to learn about the field even thought he prides himself >>>>>>on being an honest skeptic. As a result, it is hard to believe anything >>>>>>he says about any subject. >>>>>> >>>>>>A book entitled "The Science of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction" will be >>>>>>published soon by World Scientific Publishers that will summarize the >>>>>>evidence for the reality of cold fusion and give a plausible model for >>>>>>its initiation. >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>Ed Storms >>>>>> >>>>>>Paul Lowrance wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Did anyone listen to Coast to Coast AM (replay) last night where the >>>>>>>skeptic Michael Shermer, director of "The Skeptics Society," kept using >>>>>>>Cold Fusion as a prime example of a debacle hoax. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>For those working in cold fusion, is cold fusion real? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>>Paul Lowrance >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> >
