The original version of this mail got lost a few days ago. (I tried to attach the PDFs) Here are some studies dealing with O6, from our fancy library:
http://www.newalexandria.org/images/O6_studies.zip Perhaps Richard, or someone else in Dime Box Texas, will have time to pull out something useful from them. I only searched Elsevier briefly, there are more extensive chem databases Zak On 3/12/2007, "R.C.Macaulay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:20 AM >Subject: Re: [VO]:Re: Ozone and isotopes of O by microwave exitation > > >>> We have some experience in industrial size ozone generating systems in the >>> 1000PPD and above range. >> >> What's a PPD? > Ozone gas is measured in pounds per day .. PPD >> >>> Ozone gas is so stubborn that it resists mixing with water, the residual >>> properties are >>> extremely short lived and it is deadly. >> >> Not deadly (I read somewhere that no casualty has ever been attributed to >> ozone), but it's very painful if you inhale too much of it, very much like >> inhaling bleach, no wonder it has a similar effect on microorganisms. > > Very deadly.. a extreme oxidant. >> >> How is the ozone laden air pressurized in the industrial units you're using, >> air pump upstream of the ozone generation I imagine? And what's the >> operating principle of the O3 generator itself, is it the AC operated glass >> tube type? > >The incoming air is compressed, chilled and dried. The air enters the electric >arc chambers 8" diameter pipe runs( depending on type) and mixed into the main >process water . The air handling systems can be pressured or vacuum. > >> >>> Somewhere lurking in the back of my mind is an idea for using O6 as a >>> "grease" to slide the O3 >>> into the water molecule.. I know, Yes , I know it can't be done because O6 >>> may not be O6.. hmmm. >>> But if it is.. and it can be "borrowed" while it's extremely short life is >>> around to argue the point.. >>> it may be possible to " fold" the two into water before O6 catches on .. by >>> using a form of velocity >>> shear upwards to 150f/s periphical velocity of a parabolic segment shaped >>> "knife". >> >> I doubt this makes the slightest sense to anyone except perhaps yourself, >> but hey this is Vortex :) >> > > Hey ! You're not in Kindergarten.. Vortex is for people with some elastic > in their minds. > >>> We have been successful using this method for oxidation systems but O3 >>> alone doesn't want to play >>> fair. Microwave may be the trigger to generate O3 and O6 in the actual >>> water process stream and have >>> the mixing as a function of the O3 generating process. We have had our >>> Gasmastrrr units returned for >>> service that have the UHMW rotating member >> >> What's this, your tank-bottom ozonized air bubbler? > > See .. www.gasmastrrr.com The gas is discharged into large mixing tanks > filled with water. The off-gas ozone that fails to mix is either recycled or > is destroyed so Michel doesn't learn the hard way that the stuff can kill ya. > >> >>> shot with electro-chem pitting >> >> Chem pitting more likely. I guess you mean electro-chem like pitting? > > Electro-chem pitting description covers a range.. strange to see the > results.. if you ever saw the results of propeller or pump impeller > cavitation you would understand. >> >>> that is a form of SL cavitation. >> >> What's this ? > Here goes.... sonolumeniscense.. long for SL.. >> >>> Ultra high molecular weight polyethelene "does not pit".. we all know that. >> >> Very few materials are ozone resistant Richard. Have you checked the ozone >> resistance of this particular PE? > > Re-check you data.. excellent resistance to O3 at below 120 degrees.. > maybe some swelling at 140 degrees. > >> Also some materials catalyze ozone destruction (reversal to O2), such >> materials in your ozonized air circuit would result in not much ozone >> reaching the water you want to treat. >> >> Michel >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "R.C.Macaulay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:25 AM >> Subject: [VO]:Re: Ozone and isotopes of O by microwave exitation >> >> >> Blank >> Michael wrote.. >> >>>Are you into the design of an ozonizer Richard? >> >> Zachary wrote.. >>>Would you be unveiling a master plan to mention what you need that a >> commercial ozone unit won't provide? >> >> >> We have some experience in industrial size ozone generating systems in the >> 1000PPD and above range. The problems, the maintenance and the trouble >> mixing ozone beg for better technology. It seems that microwave may have >> some application considering the huge transformer banks required to boost >> voltage for the present technology, plus the problems with drying the air or >> the dangers of using pure oxy. Ozone gas is so stubborn that it resists >> mixing with water, the residual properties are extremely short lived and it >> is deadly. Takes the finger nail polish off my nails <grin> >> >> Somewhere lurking in the back of my mind is an idea for using O6 as a >> "grease" to slide the O3 into the water molecule.. I know, Yes , I know it >> can't be done because O6 may not be O6.. hmmm. But if it is.. and it can be >> "borrowed" while it's extremely short life is around to argue the point.. it >> may be possible to " fold" the two into water before O6 catches on .. by >> using a form of velocity shear upwards to 150f/s periphical velocity of a >> parabolic segment shaped "knife". We have been successful using this method >> for oxidation systems but O3 alone doesn't want to play fair. Microwave may >> be the trigger to generate O3 and O6 in the actual water process stream and >> have the mixing as a function of the O3 generating process. We have had our >> Gasmastrrr units returned for service that have the UHMW rotating member >> shot with electro-chem pitting that is a form of SL cavitation. Ultra high >> molecular weight polyethelene "does not pit".. we all know that. >> >> Richard >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.9/719 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 >> 8:41 AM >> >>)
