According to a NASA-JPL team I asked a couple of years BCF (Before Cold Fusion) the image charge and resulting force is equal to the charge drawn from the earth. They also stated that a "Jovian Thunderbolt would also likely occur if enough charge to lift a craft was transferred from earth ground".
Despite the "higher order" force drop-off the multipole configuration requires No Net Charge to exert a force in a non-uniform electric field. Hence if you are levitated over Coeur D' Alene or possibly the Moon in your computer-controlled Three-Point Lifter, you have something to maneuver with. :-) Fred > > [Original Message] > From: Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 3/17/2007 7:17:25 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters > > > > Some do, some don't. > > Well, ok :) > > > > > A net negative charge derived from the earth will leave a corresponding > > image charge. > > I am not sure "image charge" is the correct term here (my understanding is that image charge results precisely from the charge mobility we were discussing) but indeed it will remove some negative charge, but wouldn't this be negligible compared to total net negative charge of Earth? Have you done the calculations? > > > > > Dipole-Multipole configurations exert a net force in non-uniform electric > > fields > > such as the "fair weather Field" that exists between the earth and the > > ionosphere. > > Agreed, but it's a second order term so it's much less than a monopolar charge of the same amount! > > Michel > > > > > Fred > >> > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Date: 3/17/2007 6:50:04 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters > >> > >> Right, they don't move quite freely, but nearly. Many people's lives > > depend on Earth being a pretty bad insulator. > >> > >> Why use a globally neutral device BTW, rather than a net negative charge? > >> > >> Michel > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:35 PM > >> Subject: RE: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters > >> > >> > >> > You assume that all charges flow freely. The Electron Affinity for many > >> > molecules-materials > >> > in the earth-earth surface, buildings etc, ranges up to several electron > >> > volts. > >> > > >> > Fred > >> >> > >> >> [Original Message] > >> >> From: Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> To: <[email protected]> > >> >> Date: 3/17/2007 6:06:03 AM > >> >> Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters > >> >> > >> >> Globally attractive or repulsive ? But again, this doesn't take into > >> > account the fact that charges flow freely on the Earth surface. Could > > you > >> > find no applet where charges can move freely on the surface of > > conductors? > >> > Surely there must exist one. > >> >> > >> >> Michel > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> To: <[email protected]> > >> >> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:06 AM > >> >> Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > This CalTech Applet shows how a three-point distribution of positive > >> > charges > >> >> > surrounding a negative charge can feel a force from the "~0.5 > >> > megacoulomb excess negative charge of the earth". > >> >> > > >> >> > Induction or Tesla Coils sequencing? > >> >> > > >> >> > http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~phys1/java/phys1/EField/EField.html > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > O +1 > >> >> > > >> >> > O -3 > >> >> > > >> >> > O +1 O +1 > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1 > > (putative > >> > earth charge) > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Have fun. :-) > >> >> > > >> >> > Fred > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >
