On 23/03/07, David Thomson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Esa, > heres a not that expensive one to build (im yet to build it tho) *http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/centripete/<http://www.scene.org/%7Eesa/merlib/centripete/> * > also i just finished scanning a picture from a book on grander+schauberger, this is the hyperbolic cone for creating a vortex. *http://www.scene.org/~esa/tratti2.jpg<http://www.scene.org/%7Eesa/tratti2.jpg> * I already have a gravity feed vortex generator. It's good to see others working with this, too. I spent two straight years observing water vortices on a daily basis with this type of setup. I would be glad to discuss my observations with interested persons. What is the link to the Schauberger list?
The ViktorSchaubergerGroup is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/viktorschaubergergroup
> thank you so much for dropping the waterhammer-effect hint, i definitely have to hunt this down. even a brief mention on >waterhammer/cavitation would be music to my ears. again, thanks muchly, id never have heard of this had it not been for your post on vortex-list. i believe others on viktorschaubergergroup-list also benefited from this.
Yes, I too was surprised about the water hammer effect being linked to the
water vortex in the NOVA demonstration. There is probably only about 60 seconds of water vortex video in the show, but it was the most enlightening video I have seen so far. It also helps to understand how the Windhex is working. The Windhex is nothing more than a vortex generator using a less dense fluid. Imagine how much more powerful a dense water hammer effect would be for processing materials. If the water hammer vortex can eat through stone with no problem, it will likely also pulverize steel and other hard metals if designed right.
surely it could also be used for uniting substances - for instance with the idea behind Viktor Schauberger's Repulsator (to combine various minerals, salts etc whilst strongly whirling them to produce mountain-spring quality water). Yes there's a flashier way to disintegrate material, however, this would knock out all of these ridiculous "spring water"-plastic bottles etc. IET-Community have done some tests with their replication of a Repulsator, and there is also a list of minerals etc that have been used in these type processes, i believe in Energy Evolution.
Instead of using the gravity feed vortex, I'm thinking of getting a high pressure water pump and building a closed loop water circulation system, just as in the NOVA show. However, instead of running water passed a smooth stone, I'll build an orifice with a spiral twist in it to help the vortex along. The high pressure going through the twisted orifice will give the vortex both a high linear velocity and high angular momentum, which are needed to make a strong vortex.
Will you be using Hyperbolic Geometry (Walter Schauberger), or Golden-mean-ratio -related geometry (as viktor would've) to calculate+create the spiral twist? here are is at least one page related to twisty-pipes: http://www.pks.or.at/drinkingwater.html Btw, if you are looking for creating a strong vortex, maybe you would be interested in the micro-hydroturbine that Viktor designed, which is off/and/on being opensource-recreated (but physically by no-one) on http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Jet-Turbine seems like an intriguing project, to be able to utilize any stream for the creation of electricity. surely this could be created, and made into portable devices. all thats really missing is the math/geometry involved, the idea however has been laid out in the patent ( http://rexresearch.com/schaub/schaub.htm#117749 ).. and then there was the Schladming Group connection in Austria who were building it (mentions in PKS2002 seminar, and Living Energies by Callum Coats). .. however, this is still not .. built. at least not officially.
After seeing the imploding bubbles and getting a feel for the water hammer effect, and also having a good understanding about how Tesla's turbine motor works, I can now envision the enormous forces that would be acting upon the surface of any material caught in the vortex. There would be a ripping apart and jackhammer effect occurring simultaneously at the molecular scale. Other than ripping things apart, who knows what other uses a high-pressure vortex might have?
well, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonofusion comes to mind. all this material on waterhammer/cavitation/acoustic cavitation/creating harmonics out of a base note (sung/instrumental) to create this inside a cavity (keely) is an area that is slowly becoming apparent as a world of possibilities - so i cant wait to see the nova documentary. there is precious little information about this. oh and by the way, regarding waterhammer/cavitation, i really recommend hunting down the 2 hour documentary from dale pond (the basics of sympathetic vibratory physics (SVP)) where he tries to dissect a keely motor for us (which definitely used waterhammer) - even showing an early prototype of keely's. Dale Pond has also done an amazing job in compiling a bibliography on Cavitation - available on his website. This is the kind of stuff i'd love to see a conversation on vortex-list spring up on, because, well, theres things to be discovered there still. happy vortexing
