I would love to answer, but I think Bill Beaty might be a tad upset with me.
Just consider me one of those below average intellect people and ignore what I say and build you device based on your 'almighty correct theory'? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Lowrance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Vo]:A sound way to turn heat into electricity Just noticing some real obvious patterns in the alternative energy community. There seems to be a lot of "hit & run," lol. It has some negative impact, and therefore from here after I would like to have people close the discussion by confirming their error. Stiffler, You said, --- Your idea is viable if we had the ability to heterodyne down from the Thz range with an efficiency that would make sense in recovered useable energy. --- Your key word, "if" places nearly 100% probability that you are suggesting my idea would only work "if" we could "heterodyne down from the Thz range." Could you please confirm that you read my reply to your above statement and that you now understand "heterodyne down from the Thz range" is not required to capture appreciable energy from room temperature gradients? Thanks, Paul Lowrance Paul Lowrance wrote: > Hi Stiffler, > > On a macro scale all matter contains a sea of temperature gradients. > View two 15 cent millimeter size thermistors separated by say 1 inch and > you'll clear see temperature gradients any place on Earth. Such > gradients is usable energy, even with old heat->electricity technology. > Such a device does not need to reach THz temperature gradients to > capture "free energy." In fact a slow reacting DMM is fast enough to see > the evidence. That in itself is "free energy." Not much, but some > nonetheless. If you want more energy then make the heat->electricity > device smaller, and more of them to cover the same area of course. > > Stiffler, there is no magic reaction time where such a device suddenly > captures "free energy" from such temperature gradients. I'm a little > baffled you would say, "Your idea is viable if we had the ability to > heterodyne down from the Thz range with an efficiency that would make > sense in recovered useable energy." Just below twenty THz is merely the > average blackbody radiation frequency at room temperature. Indeed it's > probably next to impossible to measure 0.1 Hz blackbody radiation with > even the best leading edge equipment, but there is indeed easily > measurable temperature gradients in the 0.1 Hz region. Perhaps you were > thinking of blackbody radiation. My previous post discussed temperature > gradients, not blackbody radiation. > > This is very obvious and simple physics. Of course it would require > expensive equipment capable of making such nano size heat->electricity > devices to produce significant electrical energy flow. Presently such > devices are not so efficient, but good enough nonetheless. Here's one > well known company that's about to release such an efficient solid state > chip -> http://www.powerchips.gi > > > Regards, > Paul Lowrance > > > > Stiffler Scientific wrote: >> Paul, >> >> Your idea is viable if we had the ability to heterodyne down from the Thz >> range with an efficiency that would make sense in recovered useable >> energy. >> >> It is becoming more difficult than every to know what has been and is >> being >> researched due to the issue of now 'We Must Sell' our research papers. >> With >> hundreds of middlemen resellers of research and the US Government >> wanting to >> suppress everything because they are clueless, it is a wonder we even >> have >> research left in the US. >> >> We have plenty of bio research, but I think that has a different bent >> if you >> look at big pharma. >> >> So my 1/2 cents worth is, what can we give the common man now that is not >> under the control of some big corp? The TAPM is one such device as it >> can be >> build with some copper pipe and a hack saw, (maybe a few other minor >> thing >> :-) ), your 800W/m2 sounds great, but is there that you know of a way >> to tap >> it?? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Lowrance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:31 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:A sound way to turn heat into electricity >> >> >> No offense intended to anyone, but something must be said about the >> obvious. >> Did it ever occur to you people that such a device if made small >> enough and >> react fast enough could draw significant continuous energy *anywhere* on >> Earth >> day and night? On a micro scale there's a vast sea of significant >> temperature >> gradients everywhere. On a nano scale even more so. Just a few days ago I >> posted >> info on such an obvious fact of science. >> >> I'm just baffled how everyone misses the obvious! It is intentional? I >> don't >> get >> it, LOL. What's going on ... did/do universities play subliminal messages >> all >> day programming poor students at a young age to never consider such >> thoughts, LOL??? >> >> >> Regards, >> Paul Lowrance >> >> >> >> Stiffler Scientific wrote: >>> Far from a new idea indeed, what is new is that it is moving closer to >> being >>> a viable technology. A thermo acoustic refer has been developed and >>> tested >>> in HOT undeveloped parts of the world and found to work. The device is >>> placed in the sun during the day and it produces ice, then it is moved >>> indoors at night and keeps foods cold until the next day. What one must >> see >>> is that there are NO moving parts. The device can be built from material >>> that is not super expensive. >>> >>> Something (I'm not aware of anyone doing it yet) is to use this >>> device to >>> reclaim potable water from the air. Granted the load is greater than >>> doing >>> the ice, but it can be done, and is an interesting idea as all one >>> does is >>> get to the dew point and dump the resulting latent heat which with >>> proper >>> design can be used by the prime mover. >>> >>> Not new indeed, but better than some of the other hair brained schemes >> being >>> proposed by many... >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Michael Foster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:41 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:A sound way to turn heat into electricity >>> >>> >>> >>> Harry Veeder wrote: >>> >>> >>>> A sound way to turn heat into electricity >>>> >>>> http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=15401 >>>> >>>> >>>> University of Utah physicist Orest Symko holds a match to a small heat >>>> engine that produces a high-pitched tone by converting heat into sound. >>>> Symko's research team is combining such heat engines with existing >>>> technology that turns sound into electricity, resulting in devices that >>> can >>>> harness solar energy in a new way, cool computers and other >>>> electronics. >>>> Credit: University of Utah >>>> >>>> University of Utah physicists developed small devices that turn heat >>>> into >>>> sound and then into electricity. The technology holds promise for >> changing >>>> waste heat into electricity, harnessing solar energy and cooling >> computers >>>> and radars. >> >> > >
